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#1 Jan 27 2014 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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There is nothing like religious education funded with your tax dollars. I don't really mind, creation myths of all sorts should be taught; if only to let the kids notice that there is more than one.

Still , I found it interesting that Texas is hardly represented here.
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#2 Jan 27 2014 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
Hey, maybe it's just my experience and I was the anomaly.

But let me say that growing up through the Texas public school system, I was taught evolution, and nothing but, the entire time. Not a word on religion (my school district actually had quite a few lawsuits over religion and its presence in schools over the years), and any school district worth its salt was the same.

But I really would appreciate it if people stopped trying to so obviously stir the pot by painting the image that all Texan schools are back-country hicks that believe Evolution is Darwin/Satan trying to tempt people to sin and a life of ****. Believe it or not, that's not the norm.

****, I even had a girl in my college Biology lecture from small-town middle of nowhere Texas ask the professor, "Wait, there are people who actually don't believe in evolution?"
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#3CoalHeart, Posted: Jan 27 2014 at 9:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't think that either should be taught in a science class as the origin of life.
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
Hey, maybe it's just my experience and I was the anomaly.

But let me say that growing up through the Texas public school system, I was taught evolution, and nothing but, the entire time. Not a word on religion (my school district actually had quite a few lawsuits over religion and its presence in schools over the years), and any school district worth its salt was the same.

But I really would appreciate it if people stopped trying to so obviously stir the pot by painting the image that all Texan schools are back-country hicks that believe Evolution is Darwin/Satan trying to tempt people to sin and a life of ****. Believe it or not, that's not the norm.

****, I even had a girl in my college Biology lecture from small-town middle of nowhere Texas ask the professor, "Wait, there are people who actually don't believe in evolution?"


The problem with stereotypes is that they have come from somewhere; even if they are untrue now, there was something to them a while ago.
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I don't think that either should be taught in a science class as the origin of life.

Creationism fails to provide what most would consider empirical, quantifiable data, complete with verifiable predictions.

Evolutionary theory does have representative data and makes verifiable predictions, but it only pertains to life that already exists.


Neither theory explains the origin of life in a repeatable manner. Either God(s) magically created us, or inert, primordial soup magically came to life.

If a science class really is based on "facts", then the correct answer at this point to the origin of life question is "We don't actually know".



Well, in religion's defense it is hard to verify: "You are going to ****" until after the fact.
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IDrownFish wrote:
But I really would appreciate it if people stopped trying to so obviously stir the pot by painting the image that all Texan schools are back-country hicks that believe Evolution is Darwin/Satan trying to tempt people to sin and a life of ****.

I don't think of you guys like that, I just like to think you guys all wear cowboy boots and hats and walk around with your hands on the revolvers on your belt and chewing tobacco like a bad western.
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Neither theory explains the origin of life in a repeatable manner. Either God(s) magically created us, or inert, primordial soup magically came to life.


Or "no one knows". Not that hard, is it? "We have absolutely no idea about how or why some things happen".
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I was never taught that evolution is the explanation of the genesis of 'life'. It was taught to me as a scientific concept - theory if you will, that explained how life forms adapt and change biologically over generations.

It's still a valid theory.

As far as i can tell creationism, doesn't attempt to explain adaptation or genetic change.
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Either God(s) magically created us, or inert, primordial soup magically came to life. Or maybe it's something else entirely.


Unlike religion, science is capable of accepting ambiguity. "We don't know yet" is not the same as "magic!"

"Something else entirely" would be the missing information, information that we may yet uncover. It may very well turn out that under the right circumstances, complex proteins coalescing into primitive life is inevitable, and the only chance involved is whether it is viable over the long term - whether it can evolve to survive and thrive in all the various niches in its environment.

Religion wants answers right now, because its primary functions are to cohere and soothe - to bring its followers together, to control their behavior, and to comfort them. Science can wait for definitive answers.

Creation myths are fascinating. By all means, teach them. But keep them where they belong, in anthropology, in comparative religion. Not science.
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As far as i can tell creationism, doesn't attempt to explain adaptation or genetic change.

Sure it does: God A-wizard-who-definitely-may-or-may-not-be-a-higher-power did it!
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Elinda wrote:
As far as i can tell creationism, doesn't attempt to explain adaptation or genetic change.


From what I understand of creationism, there has been no adaption or genetic change as far as humans go.

I once had a Baptist preacher tell me, however, that evolution (of animals only) is in the Bible when it talked about the animals crawling out of the sea and stuff.
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My favorite rebuttal against the Creationists is the "curse of Eve."

Yeah, turns out chimpanzees menstruate, too. Eve was an ape.
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Huh? God didn't curse Eve with menstruation, he cursed her with painful childbirth (Genesis 3:16)

Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.

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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I once had a Baptist preacher tell me, however, that evolution (of animals only) is in the Bible when it talked about the animals crawling out of the sea and stuff.
That would be one way of reconciling the two, and something I've heard more than a few times from more scientifically inclined religious people I know.

The idea is that the first chapter of Genesis correlates in a loose sense with the general formation of the world taught in normal science classes (big void filled with dust and gas, planets form, different animals come about at different times, finally people at the end of it all, etc). Something like Moses (he wrote Genesis right? It's been too long...) was shown a vision of the formation and history of the planet thousands of years ago, and that was his best attempt to condense and explain it all to the ignorant masses of his time. They would argue the fact there's a reasonable degree of correlation there as proof it was authentic.

For what it's worth I'll take it. It seems more reasonable than arguing the world is 6,000 years old or whatever the official line is these days. Smiley: rolleyes
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Huh? God didn't curse Eve with menstruation, he cursed her with painful childbirth (Genesis 3:16)

Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.


Trust me, the pain of severe menstrual cramps can approach childbirth on bad days. Smiley: frown
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#22 Jan 28 2014 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.


By himself, or while watching the woman?
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.


By himself, or while watching the woman?
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.


By himself, or while watching the woman?
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Just trying to figure out the "that day" part of Joph's post.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Talmudic law stated that a menstruating woman is unclean, but it says the same about a man who ejaculated that day.


By himself, or while watching the woman?
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Just trying to figure out the "that day" part of Joph's post.


The day that he ejaculated... Not the day before or the day after, just the day that he ejaculated.
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