The Republican case for the Universal Basic IncomeFollow

Combine it with the lucrative private prison model.

Get um hooked early.

Pokemath.

Perhaps we could spice things up with some rap?

I earned my PhD/in the K of G
You kids is stuck/back in KS3;
Going potty to pee?/ I just inked a whole tree
You kids is ******* Like a ******* choirboy/
In the C of E.

Poo to play

Well, there's a vast amount of money in it, but only if you create some kind of voucher system. Right now, all those public education dollars can only be spent on schools that the respective departments of education choose (ie: on public schools). Even charter schools are still selected for funding by said organizations.

Because of this fact, competition for the majority of students is stunted. Any private school option essentially starts with the parent choosing to throw away the "free" education dollars that the public school system offers (and their portion of taxes which paid for it), and then choose to spend more money on top of that. Very few people will do that. Which is why typically you only see people send their kids to private school because they are rich or really want their kids to receive some form of religious education.

A voucher system is a way to introduce competition for those education dollars. Any system which doesn't address the dollars present in the public school system can't possibly work.



Which is why you divvy up the money currently spent by the public school system into vouchers for each child and let the parents choose where to spend them. They're not spending their own money. They're spending the public funds which would otherwise have been spent anyway. We're just changing how we decide to spend those dollars is all.

Because of this fact, competition for the majority of students is stunted. Any private school option essentially starts with the parent choosing to throw away the "free" education dollars that the public school system offers (and their portion of taxes which paid for it), and then choose to spend more money on top of that. Very few people will do that

Yeah, very few. A piddling 5 or 6 million.

A voucher system is a way to introduce competition for those education dollars. Any system which doesn't address the dollars present in the public school system can't possibly work.

Been tried. Failed miserably. Time after time. Not an open question. Not up for debate. Private schools do not educate children to a higher level or more cost effectively than public schools do. All done now, nothing else to pretend to continue this line of thinking. Theory - experiment - conclusion - replication. All complete. Doesn't work. Does. Not. Work. Sorry your fantasy idea turned out to not function in reality the way you'd hoped, but it didn't. Destroying the lives of more children won't fix that.

If it helps it probably wouldn't matter anyway. It's not as if we really need more college-educated people applying for seasonal jobs at Macy's.

My daughters bf - PhD in Pop Culture (yes there is such a thing). He's doing copy-editing.

Given that public schools are not for profit, then by definition any amount of money spent on them is always "breaking even". It's a meaningless concept. You can't actually assess whether public schools are grossly wasting money or being very efficient because there's no metric to use. This is precisely why for profit systems work better.



I'd suggest that the massive padding of pockets to union bosses and politicians campaigns puts a hell of a lot of overhead into our current costs. The key difference is that the private schools profits are going to be based on whether they provide education that parents want to pay for, while the current folks who are getting their pockets padded are more or less rewarded as long as they maintain the public system. Quality of education isn't even a consideration.

I'll also point out that right now the reason why private schools are expensive and rare is because they have to complete with "free". They must provide something significantly better than the public school (which means it'll cost more). No one would pay money for a private school that provided "just as good" an education as the free public school. That's why private schools don't compete for that market. Put vouchers in place, and they can.

Of course they do. If they didn't, no one would choose to pay their tuition.

They really don't. Even the elite ones don't send a higher percentage of kids to tier 1 universities than public exam schools do. People pay the tuition, in the main, because the public schools in their area are underfunded and suck. Some small percentage of people send their kids to very expensive private schools not for the quality of the education but for the connections later in life. All of the Saint Grottlsex schools are ****, but you get to live with 500 other wealthy kids with powerful parents, which is far more important in the long run.

Has never been tried. Not once. Ever.

Right, I forgot, you don't understand math. My mistake, carry on.

So for those parents, it's worth paying the price for the private school. Presumably because the delta between that private school and the public school they'd have to send their child to is significant enough to make the cost worth it.

Nah, that's not how that decision is made. It's usually more along the lines of "I don't want my kids to have to go to school with <ethnic group I don't like>s kids"

And yet, I'm still waiting for you to actually provide an example of it having actually been tried.

I did. You know what's sometimes helpful in these sorts of discussions? Reading the posts.

I'm going to assume that I'm missing something. Please explain how nonprofits can't waste money? Just because you aren't taking in money, doesn't mean that money isn't spent on them.

Sure, but since he's using vouchers with my tax money, I don't think it's worth it to pay to go to a school that isn't excelling in educating but rather in building connections. Now, if this guy wants to pay out of his own pocket to send his kids to that sort of school... Hey! He can do that right now! The system works! Sure, he'll still have to pay public school taxes, just like everyone else does whether they have children or not and just like everyone pays for a multitude of things they may or may not use or appreciate. That's sorta part of living in a society.