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#27 Sep 11 2013 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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That must suck

It's terrible. We do walk sometimes to break up the horror.
You should cycle instead, way cooler.
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#28 Sep 11 2013 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
I always just assumed smash demanded the universe put food on his table and that it just appeared. This is quite a shock.
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#29 Sep 11 2013 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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Smash does all his shopping from the organic farmer's markets and hippie communes.

We live in the kind of town that has a "Farmer's Market" once a week at the town historical society with vendors selling produce that looks suspiciously like it came from the Whole Foods down the street with prices along the lines of $7 a pound for "heirloom" cucumbers. We have a garden, though, so I do a lot of my shopping via telling Hannah to go outside and get tomatoes or whatever.
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#30 Sep 11 2013 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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I always just assumed smash demanded the universe put food on his table and that it just appeared. This is quite a shock.

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We have a garden, though, so I do a lot of my shopping via telling Hannah to go outside and get tomatoes or whatever.
Kinda the same thing.


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#31 Sep 11 2013 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
You should cycle instead, way cooler.

Needs to be those low profile recumbent bicycles.

I live in a place where there's actually a lot of farms so I just stop at one of the ten farmhouses selling produce out of their front yards on the way home. I suppose it might all be a ruse and they're actually selling me Whole Foods produce for half the Whole Foods price.
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#32 Sep 11 2013 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
http://www.kinetics.org.uk/assets/images/scorpion_trike_race_schwarz_rechts.jpg

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 1:19pm by Xsarus
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#33 Sep 11 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
If you're going for fancy high speed lie down bikes, post something like this:
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#34 Sep 11 2013 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
meh, I like a breeze. I don't own a recumbant though, this is my current bike.

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#35 Sep 11 2013 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Nice bike.

And while I like a breeze, those closed bicycles are really fast and it rains quite a lot here.
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#36 Sep 11 2013 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
meh, I like a breeze. I don't own a recumbant though, this is my current bike.

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So it comes with it's own wooden sail? Fancy.
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#37 Sep 11 2013 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nice bike.

And while I like a breeze, those closed bicycles are really fast and it rains quite a lot here.

It @#%^ing does, I hated that. Not seeing the sun all winter sucked.

I built the bike myself, it was a lot of fun.

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#38 Sep 11 2013 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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I even live in the rainiest part of the country. 1100ml of rain/snow a year... It's no Irish highlands but still, it's wet.

And man I want a nice road bike again, I only have a mountainbike at the moment and I'd love to ride around on a nice road bike, the closer to a time trial bike the better.
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#39 Sep 11 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Ok. But if you have a 10 gallon tank, listing it as MPG allows you to know how far you can go between gas stations. Which is important

Not really. In the actual world, no one gives a fuck about your imaginary family that frequently makes 600 mile trips and would be mystified by measuring efficiency in gallons/10k miles, because we assume, they can't multiply by .06...


That was the scenario I was responding to though.

It's the same thing either way. The difference is that one is focusing on consumption (how much fuel used over a given distance), while the other is focusing on range (how far you can go with a given amount of fuel). It's not like people can't noodle out the math either direction, but in terms of usability, consumption is more useful when making your initial purchasing decision (which you kinda just do once). Range is more useful when actually operating the vehicle (which you do all the time).


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MPG is a terrible measure of fuel efficiency once vehicles become reasonably efficient. As they become very efficient it becomes even less useful. I don't think it was intentionally designed that way, I think the US just has sh*tty, poorly thought out measurements in many areas and is resistant to change. Hence the idea that 34mpg is much worse than 40mpg when it's a marginal difference, and the idea that 12mpg is basically the same as 18 mpg when it's a huge difference.


I'm not really seeing how if we measured that as 2.5G/100M versus 2.94G/100M or 5.55G/100M versus 8.33G/100M it would help anything. People can either grasp ratios or they can't. And I'd honestly argue that it's easier for people to do ratios with bigger/whole numbers in their heads. As fuel efficiency increases, the fuel use per X miles gets smaller, making it appear as though the gains are smaller. One can also argue that from a marketing point of view "bigger is better" ties in better with using mpg rather than g/100m, so there's that too.


I suppose it's more a matter of what you're used to, but from an objective point of view, I don't see how one measurement inherently much better than the other, but for the reasons above, I'd tend to give it to the range view rather than consumption view.
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#40 Sep 11 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent
I also have this bike, but the wheels aren't as nice as in the picture. It's also a little too small for me, which is why I built the new one.

http://veederline.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1998-Eyre-Tri.jpg

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 5:24pm by Xsarus
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#41 Sep 11 2013 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
The fundamental problem Gbaji is that you're using *** backwards gallons and miles to begin with.
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#42 Sep 11 2013 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
The fundamental problem Gbaji is that you're using *** backwards gallons and miles to begin with.


The units used doesn't affect which view of the data is useful in what situation though.
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#43 Sep 11 2013 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
oh sure, I'm just making fun of your measurement system.

I think L/100km or the equivalent is better, but don't particularly care.
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#44 Sep 11 2013 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually looking for a bicycle to commute to work with. I probably won't be buying until the winter when they go on sale around here. There are some decent-looking Trek bikes at a local shop. I think I'd like a hybrid, instead of a straight road bike, considering the road conditions around here. Trying to keep it under $550.
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Gbaji lives in a different universe from the rest of us. I wonder who else lives there with him. And I don't think it's necessarily just crazy right-wingers, there's probably some general weirdos like Emo Philips or Bobby Fischer or Prince.
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#46 Sep 11 2013 at 10:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm actually looking for a bicycle to commute to work with. I probably won't be buying until the winter when they go on sale around here. There are some decent-looking Trek bikes at a local shop. I think I'd like a hybrid, instead of a straight road bike, considering the road conditions around here. Trying to keep it under $550.

Unless you have lots and lots of hills, I'd recommend going with a single speed. It's going to be way less maintenance, and is much nicer for biking around in different weather conditions. I haven't looked back. I think my ratio is 46-16, it's really nice.

Different bike than pictured above obviously, that's not a commuting bike.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:02pm by Xsarus
#47 Sep 11 2013 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
I'd get a used road bike with two important features

1) space for bigger tires if needed
2) an angled attachment for the rear wheel so you can convert it to single speed.

Make sure the frame is in decent shape, then get new wheels, crank, free wheel, and brakes.

It will be a great ride, but will look older and hopefully less steal-able.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:11pm by Xsarus
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#48 Sep 12 2013 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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It's the same thing either way.

The numerical expression of the same ratio is the same? Thanks for the insight, moron. What isn't the same is the non linear relationship between comparisons using the two ratios. The point of MPG, aside from economy standards is to allow comparison for consumers. The non-linear progression of, say, a 15 MPG difference between vehicles completely undermines that. If American consumers could use math, we'd be using the metric system, so I'm not going to bother going down that road. I mean some of these idiots still pay for paper checks and use them for small transactions.
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#49 Sep 12 2013 at 5:22 AM Rating: Good
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I also have this bike, but the wheels aren't as nice as in the picture. It's also a little too small for me, which is why I built the new one.

http://veederline.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1998-Eyre-Tri.jpg

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 5:24pm by Xsarus
You don't really want those wheels anyway if there's a risk of sidewind as they'll just function as sails. Still, time trial bikes look awesome and I'd love to ride one.
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#50 Sep 12 2013 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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Since I retired I usually travel by motorbike, but do have a 3 year old Ford Focus that's averaging 38mpg (UK gallons). The wife has a Ford KA diesel getting 62mpg.

The larger bike (Honda NT700) gives me 53mpg, but for general bimbling around I have a 125cc bike that averages 120mpg.

As for the manufacturers figures, they've always been recognised here in the UK to be artificial.
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