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The word you're looking for is fewer. I'm assuming this is your attempt at "lol gotcha!" because there are so few confirmed cases of voter fraud. But that's because it's nearly impossible to catch someone committing voter fraud. Want to know why? Because if you don't require ID, and you let people register right then and there, and your policy is to simply accept the word of the person that they are who they claim to be, a person has to really be stupidly blatant about it in order to get caught. Fraud at the voting booth is only even investigated if a poll worker takes the time out to file a complaint about someone who voted. And to do that, he's got to have a reason to suspect that one of the thousands of people who'll go through the line at that polling place is lying about who they are. How's that going to happen exactly?

We have close to no way of knowing how often voter fraud of this sort is committed. And that's the problem. My question is: Why is requiring an ID such a burden? Seems to me the only reason to oppose this is because you want people to be able to vote without any method to determine if they should be. I wonder why someone would want that?

It's also impossible to tell how many invisible elves are being brought over the border which is why everyone should be willing to submit to full cavity body searches. I mean, it could be billions of invisible elves daily but we can't prove them so this is the only logical course of action.

The fact that we have some dudes sponsoring us who really love performing cavity searches has nothing at all to do with it.

Using my boundless authority as an election judge: you're an idiot with no idea how the process works.

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 3:13pm by Jophiel

The law requires the state to provide a free ID to anyone who asks Joph. There are no barriers in place. Barring Republicans going down in person and holding people's hands while the go get an ID, what more do you expect?



No. We don't because we believe in individual freedom and individual responsibility. We believe that government's role is to create an environment in which opportunities are available, but leave it up to the individuals to take advantages of them as they wish and to live their own lives. We believe in removing obstacles from success, but not in handing success to people. If people choose not to avail themselves of free state issued IDs, that is their choice. Who are we to force them to do otherwise?

Also, there's nothing in place that prevents someone else from assisting people in getting IDs if they really care about this so much. Like say, Democratic GOTV efforts. So I'm not seeing the problem here. Unless there's some reason why needing to get an ID to vote might reduce the number of people the Dems could get to vote for them? Want to speculate as to why that might be the case?



Making sure that only people who are supposed to vote vote? Yes. That's 100% the idea behind passing these laws. One might question why this is such a huge problem for Democrats.

The time when the entire country saw just how biased the media could be? Yes. I do remember that. Thank you Crowley for proving what Conservatives have been saying for decades now.



I already wrote about this. They are two separate issues btw.

To no one's surprise you assume incorrectly. The got'cha is in that the places with more strict voter registration laws (Kansas, for example) are where a higher concentration of those confirmed cases of voter fraud occur, not in the less strict ones (Let's go Pennsylvania). Of course, considering your whole argument in that mess of a brain fart you try to pass off as logic or even thought it doesn't matter because you can just plug your ears and scream "It doesn't matter because you can't prove it DIDN'T happen!" Which, is such a convenient argument for you to have.

But hey, small government is all about making the government enforce things that you can't even prove exist as a problem, right?

The biggest irony in this whole thing. I'm always amazed to what degree political parties can twist these kinds of things around.

We comparing this to gun ID laws yet?

In the megalopolis that is Rapid City the location where one gets their ID is about 3 miles out of town. So for people with no car I'd say less "draconian" and more "helpful".

In South Dakota you still have to have the $20. In regards all the birth certificates, etc.? They cost money, too.

Well, "small government" is actually code for "one party system." Which, isn't wrong because one is smaller than two. Well, technically one is smaller than three, but no one really takes those other guys serious.

Well, zero is less than one!

See what we need to do is ban political parties altogether; then only the uber-rich will be able to afford a Senate seat. No more of this playing games with the upper middle class puppets. Run on your own money or GTFO.

I always wondered why no one looks at someone who spends millions of dollars on a campaign with a sense of concern. "You want me to trust you with budgeting our money?". I would attempt to run primarily off of free means, i.e. youtube, twitter, facebook, etc. Of course, I wouldn't get elected like that either, so I can see why people do it.

Um... Maybe because when you have voter ID laws, you can actually catch people attempting to commit fraud? Seriously? That never occurred to you?

OMG! So if we start requiring bars to check people's IDs before serving them alcohol, the number of people caught attempting to buy alcohol while underaged will increase? Alert the damn media! That's just crazy.

It occurs to me that you want ... well, the people who tell you what you want, what they want is to enact laws based on paranoia. I mean, you might as well say we should build laser towers all along the coasts because there just might be aliens spying on us and we'll need them to prevent a possible extra-terrestrial invasion. After all, you can't prove there aren't aliens spying on us.

Well, go ahead and tell us how you're not a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

They were totally going to enact Sharia law in Kansas, it's a good thing it was stopped when it was.