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#102 Jun 12 2013 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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People get trolled all the time.
Which is where this gets difficult.

If a "get back in the kitchen" comment is not seriously believed by the commenter and only made to provoke a reaction telling them to respect women doesn't do any good. If they're next going over to some World of Warcraft forums and calling the game easy-mode, then getting into a random dungeon group and intentionally killing everyone, the problem has little to do with whether or not they actually respect women, at most it's a part of a larger theme.

Which is where you feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Standing up to someone may be ideal, but if it's a troll it only fuels their fire worsening the situation.

*sigh*

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I mean really, do you think someone with a tag of izashid29 or A_Hint_of_sh*t or BEATandDELETE really hates women or is just a jackass to everyone?

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 8:49am by someproteinguy
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#103 Jun 12 2013 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's it. It might not be cool on any level, but they're not doing it to be cool. There's no magic comment that would make them say "Gee, I realize now that saying you need to make me a sandwich and let me rest the plate on your head as you orally satisfy me and I play WoW because you're too stupid to understand games was hurtful. I had no idea. I'm sorry."

They know it's hurtful. That's why they're saying it.
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#104 Jun 12 2013 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I mean really, do you think someone with a tag of izashid29 or A_Hint_of_sh*t or BEATandDELETE really hates women or is just a jackass to everyone?

How about WIFExPUNCHERx69? Should we reach out to him?
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I mean really, do you think someone with a tag of izashid29 or A_Hint_of_sh*t or BEATandDELETE really hates women or is just a jackass to everyone?

How about WIFExPUNCHERx69? Should we reach out to him?
We should give him a big group hug.
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If we believe WIFExPUNCHERx69 does, in fact, punch wives (their own, or just randomly chosen?) do we also need to take LONGxDONGxJOHNSON serious and believe he is, in fact, a pirate?
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I don't know but we should totally move this conversation to DSD's blog comments Smiley: grin
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#108 Jun 12 2013 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not specifically pointing out that you guys are jerks, but yeah you guys are jerks ;) Joph gets it. I'm not trying to be whiny or to QQ. I'm not even angry nor did I write the piece to be an angry post. I'm simply saying that if you see this kind of stuff happening all I ask is for a little bit of help, from one gamer to another. If you don't see this stuff happen, awesome. If you do and you notice it going too far, say something. That's all.
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#109 Jun 12 2013 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Going along with whoever wrote it before (yes I'm lazy and not scrolling back through the last page... Smiley: tongue) when they said that something along the lines of certainly addressing it in a group, guild, or real life kind of setting, but wouldn't chase down every idiot in a general chat channel in a MMO.
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#110 Jun 12 2013 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Doesn't really matter what you do, because you'll be damned for it anyway. You don't say anything, and you accept the behavior and therefor are the bad guy. You speak up about it and you believe women are weak princesses and are the bad guy. You treat a woman as an equal (IE: As a jerk) and you believe girls are inferior and are a bad guy. I'm just going to pick my poison and accept that the other 66% think I'm Hitler for it.
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#111 Jun 12 2013 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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I mean really, do you think someone with a tag of izashid29 or A_Hint_of_sh*t or BEATandDELETE really hates women or is just a jackass to everyone?


A troll isn't some pinnacle of rationality, dispassionately picking the remark that'll hurt the most out of a velvet bag. The things you troll people with reflect what hurts, sure - those of you who don't believe society is sexist might ask yourselves why sexist jokes are the thing that are thought to be especially painful to women - but mostly they reflect what you and your mates think is funny. I'm sure they're both true, though contempt might be a better word.

By the way, just because you make a black joke doesn't mean you don't seriously believe that blacks are inferior; the opposite is true. Plenty of those jokes over at stormfront. Humour is a powerful, versatile and incredibly complex tool, and it can certainly be used to entrench your status and remind social inferiors of theirs. Those who do so are far from all being trolls in the first place.

Whether calling people out is effective depends on a lot of things (e.g. as Jophiel says the condemenation of those you see as your peers is much more effectove); but pretty much no-one will keep doing something if it meets with a universally negative reception. I don't think getting those who were trolling her to stop was the reason she posted those responses, though. Second though: I don't think its particularly helpful to have this lady be the centerpiece of these discussions.
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Doesn't really matter what you do, because you'll be damned for it anyway. You don't say anything, and you accept the behavior and therefor are the bad guy. You speak up about it and you believe women are weak princesses and are the bad guy. You treat a woman as an equal (IE: As a jerk) and you believe girls are inferior and are a bad guy. I'm just going to pick my poison and accept that the other 66% think I'm Hitler for it.
...and then there are those future teenage girls that just think dad is an over-protective old fuddy-duddy.
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#113 Jun 12 2013 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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...and then there are those future teenage girls that just think dad is an over-protective old fuddy-duddy.
Exactly! I know I can't win, so I'm going to lose on my terms.
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Doesn't really matter what you do, because you'll be damned for it anyway. You don't say anything, and you accept the behavior and therefor are the bad guy. You speak up about it and you believe women are weak princesses and are the bad guy. You treat a woman as an equal (IE: As a jerk) and you believe girls are inferior and are a bad guy. I'm just going to pick my poison and accept that the other 66% think I'm Hitler for it.


Have you considered that boiling your responses down to these three categories might obliterate nuances that might explain your universally negative reception? It's entirely possible to tell someone talking sh*t to shut up in a way that demeans the victim. If you called a victorian lady a worthless @#%^ her husband would surely object, but his victorian attitude would be pretty evident in the way he did so.
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If you called a victorian lady a worthless @#%^ her husband would surely object, but his victorian attitude would be pretty evident in the way he did so.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the late 1800s.
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If you called a victorian lady a worthless @#%^ her husband would surely object, but his victorian attitude would be pretty evident in the way he did so.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the late 1800s.

Or a steampunk convention.
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I'd like to believe it was more realistic I'd be in the 1800s than a steampunk convention. Smiley: frown

You sir have hurt my feelings.
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Are we going to start slapping each other in the face with white gloves demanding satisfaction through duels?
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I'll keep that mind in the late 1800s.


I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.

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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
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someproteinguy wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
Valencia?


Those usually come in a sack.
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someproteinguy wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
Valencia?


Those usually come in a sack.
Time to find that Martha Stewart tape.
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#124 Jun 12 2013 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Kavekk wrote:
I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
Valencia?


Those usually come in a sack.
Time to find that Martha Stewart tape.


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I was looking to reply with Sexual Harassment Video, but ended up here.
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#126 Jun 12 2013 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm in the present.
I'll get you a basket of oranges when you finally get here.
Valencia?


I'm fairly sure Kavekk would only find blood oranges acceptable.

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I have no sound at work, but I love the colors in that game trailer.

But really does the broads dress HAVE to be so short. She's just asking for trouble.
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Doesn't count. On Vita. No one will play.
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Also Greenlight'd on Steam!

So everyone will wait for it in an indie bundle.
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Also Greenlight'd on Steam!

So everyone will wait for it in an indie bundle.


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I think John Oliver is doing a decent job so far. Image is kind of on topic, sorta.
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Someone is gonna need to replace Stewart eventually, and Oliver did okay enough last week to be acceptable.
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I like John Oliver, he was/is brilliant in Community.
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Someone is gonna need to replace Stewart eventually, and Oliver did okay enough last week to be acceptable.


I think my favorite moment was Lewis Black's Back in Black segment, and Oliver was sitting there looking at him while he was talking. Lewis Black stops, "Who the @#%^ are you?" and goes back to talking. I don't think I have seen last Thursday's Daily Show though, will have to watch my recordings.
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#136 Jun 17 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
There are a couple classic jon stewart "reaction bits" that were a bit weird with oliver, but overall it was good.

I think the hardest part is that they're not replacing stewart, just subbing for him for a while, so they can't really alter the show a lot to suite oliver more.
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#137 Jun 18 2013 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a pretty simple show, it doesn't really need too much change to suite a new host. Maybe a British-to-English translation scrolling at the bottom of the screen.
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I'd probably flip right by Oliver on the Daily Show. He's ok for momentary bits, in my mind, he couldn't replace Jon. He lacks the puppy dog eyes. Mostly though he's too comedic I think for news - even satirical news.

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That's the problem with long term hosts. People forget what they were doing before they started hosting their particular show.
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That's the problem with long term hosts. People forget what they were doing before they started hosting their particular show.

I didn't forget Stewart was a stand up comic once. It's just that it's irrelevant.
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He was also in Half Baked.
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He was also in Half Baked.


And though I've never watched it, he always brings up that Death to Smoochy.

He was the kid's real dad in Big Daddy too, right?
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And though I've never watched it, he always brings up that Death to Smoochy.

That's an underrated movie.
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