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Nude models in art class are for learning how to draw human anatomy, by the way.

Not sure why I bother, but there you go.

Maine Principal's Association is the organization that provides all the rules and guidance for sanctioned high school sports. So this policy specifically addresses a transgenders eligibility to join a single-sex HS sports team.

Hah!

Corporate art has a use.

That's the nonsense that you all are saying. "If I don't draw the *****, then I'm less of an artist". I countered to say that there are numerous things that you will probably never draw and that doesn't make you any less of an artist.

I'm merely pointing out that there is no gain of artistic value from drawing a fully nude person vs a barely dressed person. No one has yet countered that belief.


'Tis not a challenge. I'm sure a movie consisting of actual filmed violence of people being decapitated and mutilated would be just as equal or worse in rating. The point being is that a movie containing violence, vulgarity, gore, drugs and partial nudity would not receive the same rating as a movie with hardcore sex scenes. I'm not saying that I particularly agree with it, just pointing out how society is.

Not only is Alma scared of gay people, he's afraid of naughty bits also.

You don't need to see a ***** to draw a *****, unless you're in a shower with a lesbian, or something...

How else are you going to differentiate if you have nothing to measure it by? Why even differentiate in the first place?


You're claiming that the labels "men" and "women" on bathrooms are for genders and not sex, so what about all of the scenarios that include those labels? Are they gender, sex and/or both? Why would a person assume that those labels would change for the bathrooms?


I asked you why a person would think that the men/boys labels for a urinating/defecating room are based on personality traits as opposed to urinating/defecating.

You replied with "That's usually what those labels refer to"

Are the things that I mentioned not also labels? Those labels don't refer to personality traits.I know what labels are used for. The question is asking why a room for urinating and defecating be labeled for anything outside of urinating and defecating?


When are they incorrect and how can you tell?


No to what? Are you saying that many homosexual men aren't feminine? Are you saying that those homosexual feminine men don't use male bathrooms, gyms, etc? Are you saying that they don't urinate standing? Are you saying that many lesbians don't aren't labeled "butch"?

You're wrong. Gay men urinate just like every other man, standing. If bathrooms were based on gender, then there should be urinals in the women bathrooms.


So, I ask again, how do people know if they are "female" enough to use the bathroom? How does anyone know if anyone else is in violation? If you can't tell, then why even make the rule?


So your argument is comparing oranges to apples? "Since people eat the skin off apples, you should eat the skin of oranges?".

Priceless.

Actually, lady urinals ARE a thing. They're just rare, as many women don't wear dresses so it makes no sense to put them into newly constructed buildings.

I hear some older Chicago hotels still have them, though.

Ok, so Almalieque, unlike Gbaji, hasn't had any gay male friends. That he knows about.

I wasn't talking about trans. According to your logic, feminine men should be using the women's bathroom and tom boys and butch lesbians should use the men's bathroom, but they don't.



Not according to the definition of sex that you provided.


How else are you going to differentiate if you have nothing to measure it by? Why even differentiate in the first place?


How do people know if they are "female" enough to use the bathroom? How does anyone know if anyone else is in violation? If you can't tell, then why even make the rule?


Are the things that I mentioned not also labels? Those labels don't refer to personality traits.I know what labels are used for. The question is asking why a room for urinating and defecating be labeled for anything outside of urinating and defecating?



When are they incorrect and how can you tell?


Which is not bound to a specific gender. So, if all men urinate standing up and gender isn't bound to a sex, then why are there no urinals in women bathrooms if the bathrooms are separated by gender?

This is you again attempting to interchange words when you already defined them separately.

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Rachel wrote:

Urinals are put in the men's bathrooms because it is expected that many people who go into that bathroom will make use of them. They are convenient for customers, and even save money by using less water, and being much faster to use, thus allowing more people to use a smaller bathroom. Therefore it makes sense to install them, from a financial stand point. Making customers happy, and saving money at the same time is something most businesses like doing.

They are not put in the women's bathroom because it is expected that virtually no one would use them there. That people with penises might use the women's bathroom isn't going to effect a different decision here; either they wouldn't use a urinal even if there was one in the women's bathroom, or they are such a small minority that it doesn't make sense to install urinals. There's simply not enough demand for urinals in women's bathrooms. Why would anyone ever waste money and space installing them if no one wants them? It just wouldn't make sense, except maybe for a bathroom that is likely to only be used by pre-op trans women, but even then, as i've explained, most still wouldn't use them anyway.

Finance: It's cheaper to have ONE co-ed room than to have two separate rooms. Hence the question you keep ignoring, why separate in the first place? Genders are together every other time of the day, why separate in bathrooms, locker rooms, dorms, etc., if it isn't about sex?
Customer satisfaction: Have you not noticed the long lines in the women bathrooms and how much quicker men finish by using urinals? Those men aren't using the stalls most of the time. So, now you have unused stalls that women could use and a line of women waiting to use the restroom. That's not customer satisfaction.

Furthermore, how are you making that assumption on men using the men's bathroom? If your argument is that the bathrooms are separated based on GENDER and NOT sex, then that means that the designers cognitively acknowledged that there would be men using the women's bathroom and vice versa. So, it would make absolutely NO sense to create two separate bathrooms based on gender, but not accommodate each gender in both bathrooms. That's counterproductive and a financial failure from a project stand point.

Either they are trans, or their genders match their sex. Why did you spend so much time insisting you knew what gender is if you don't?

They are incorrect when they are not correct. I can tell because they give a definition which does not match what the word really means. For example, if i went and edited the wiktionary entry for the word "segment" to "a mythical creature resembling a horse, with a single horn in the center of its forehead: often symbolic of chastity or purity.", it would be incorrect.

Because that's what people want. This isn't an all or nothing thing. There are alternatives between the most efficient setup and the least efficient setup.
Is your argument here that if we had unisex bathrooms they should include urinals? Because if so, i agree.

Why would they make accommodations for a gender which isn't supposed to be in the bathroom? If you're still confused about the differences between gender and sex, and actually meant they should accommodate both sexes, then they already do. Stalls in men's rooms go mostly unused, thanks to urinals, so biological females will have no trouble in there. There are no urinals in the women's bathroom because no one of that gender uses them (that includes those with penises). Seriously. Trans women do not use urinals. And they would be far less likely to use one if there was one in a women's bathroom for whatever reason. I'm really not making that up.

Edited, Mar 31st 2013 10:46am by Rachel9