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That was the question that I asked you. Does your concept of labels apply to every word?



Exactly. Likewise, a man wearing a wig and a dress is known everywhere else as a man wearing a wig and a dress. So, I ask again, what's your beef? What rights?

'Tis the truth.



I've been referred to as "she" all of the time on this thread, doesn't mean anything. I also referred to people, such as Eske, by the wrong sex. This is the Internet. All we have to go by is your name and what you say.

In any sense, you said that a label is just a word and it doesn't change the thing or concept. So, you can change your name on this forum to "John totallynotagirl Smith" and everything that makes you who you are will remain constant. To argue otherwise insinuates that labels are more than just words.

By your own philosophy, you are wrong. If we are free to create and use any label as we see fit, then what is your beef?



That was intentional.


Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 7:02pm by Almalieque

Don't get agitated at me. You're the one bouncing back at forth. If your concept of labels apply to every word, then why do you care about the word? Only if your concept varies per word, will using "sex/gender" would matter. The word could be rapist. The result would be the same.



So, that's what this is all about. It has nothing to do with actual definitions or facts, but a personal issue. If what you said were true, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. I did not create this issue. You're confusing personal preference/respect with laws,rules and regulations. I have a friend who's relative is a homosexual man. She and her family refer to him as a girl, even though he doesn't portray one. To me, that is insulting. Rather or not you are homosexual, a man is still a man. HOWEVER, if that's his preference, then so be it.

That logic does not, nor should not, apply to laws, rules and regulations that discriminate based on sex. There are, and should always be, guidelines. Either get rid of the discrimination or support it. I shouldn't be able to put on a wig and be able to compete as a woman in scenarios where there are sex discrimination.

What people call you is not the topic. The topic is how to integrate trans in sex discriminating scenarios. There is absolutely nothing "wrong" with calling a man "she" in the men's locker room. The issue isn't rather or not we call the man a "she", but rather he should be in the woman's locker room, playing on an athletic women's team, etc.


I did not read that. I apologize for overlooking that.

I'm not going to insult you if you prefer to be seen as a woman. However, that respect is mutual as you cannot enforce your belief onto me if you believe in your concept of labels. As long as you ask me, you are a man. Men have penises and women have vaginas, along with other biological differences. Of course there are rare exceptions, but those exceptions do not include a "change of heart". You don't have monthly periods, you can't give birth, you don't have all of the other medical/biological differences that come with being a woman. If you're going to spout out that labels are just words, then I'm able to exercise that same right. I'm not going to get in your face and yell "YOU'RE A MAN!", because I couldn't care less how you label yourself. At the same time, don't expect people to deny science because you want to be different either.

So, I ask again, what's your beef? What rights?

If your concept of labels apply to every word, then why do you care about the word? Only if your concept varies per word, will using "sex/gender" would matter.



Which is just one of many biological aspects that make a woman. There's a huge difference between a man and a woman not having a period. A woman not ever having a period is considered abnormal, while a man is not capable of having one.





The topic is over sex discriminating laws, as sex is the primary form of discrimination, not gender. In other words, most people differentiate by sex, not gender. So, as man, I will label you by your sex, which is male. If you prefer the female gender, that's fine, but don't expect others to bypass your biological sex as a man.

So, I ask again, what's your beef? What rights?

Because until your definitions become accepted by a large portion of the community, they are not valid. If you want to use the words gender and sex to refer to exactly the same thing, you can go right ahead. And if everyone else goes along with that, then one day they will in fact mean the same thing. Until then though, please clarify what you mean, because I am not familiar with the way you are using those words.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 3:32pm by Rachel9

You mean why he wants to? Because we don't want to pee next to him, but wants to force us to

Yeah, I have learned that talking to you is about as effective as talking to a brick wall. The only real difference is that the brick wall could probably comprehend simple ideas where you seem to fail.

Nah.

As far as i'm aware, no one believes otherwise. As i've said, there is no relation between sex and gender. They are completely different things, and neither determines the other.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 8:19pm by Rachel9

No, thanks. It's not worth my time.

And posting that was? I didn't ask you to argue the point. The amount of effort it took you to reply to that post is equivalent to the amount of time to post ANY idea that I could not comprehend (not to be confused with agreeing to).

And those reasons remain easily summed up by this



Until such time as you can "really" explain why it is that you're uncomfortable around ******. Except when you jerk off to lesbian ****, then it's ok right?

You have done no such thing.

Please tell me you're drunk. All of you. Because that's the only way any of this makes a tiny bit of sense.