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#1 Feb 03 2013 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
In the merry United Kingdom, a police unit called the "special demonstration squad" was using the identities of dead children to give cover to it's undercover police operatives. The unit was disbanded in 2008 with much fanfare about it's dubious tactics with this golden gem of a morally questionable action coming to light just recently.

Now, morality of the action aside ... the scheme was relying on luck and was open to being exposed at all times.

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The practice was introduced 40 years ago by police to lend credibility to the backstory of covert operatives spying on protesters, and to guard against the possibility that campaigners would discover their true identities.


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During his covert deployment, Dines had a two-year relationship with a female activist before disappearing from her life. In an attempt to track down her disappeared boyfriend, the woman discovered the birth certificate of John Barker and tried to track down his family, unaware that she was actually searching for a dead child.

She said she was relieved that she never managed to find the parents of the dead boy. "It would have been horrendous," she said. "It would have completely freaked them out to have someone asking after a child who died 24 years earlier."


Messy ..... and it left me thinking how I would feel if a long dead relatives identity was used in this manner, and what if someone showed at the door asking for them.
I think I'd feel 3 things. The first would be a mix of shock and annoyance at an identity being used in that way at all. The second would be irritation that having used an identity it was used for something as naff as spying on protestors. The final is to wonder, is that the best they could do in providing a new identity? Surely there must be better out there?

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#2 Feb 03 2013 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wasn't this how Connor MacLeod hid his immortality in the first Highlander movie?
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Intelligence agenceis routinely do the same thing. It's an unfortunate practice, with potential to blow up in ones face, but it's also sometimes necessary to build a credible deap cover back story. It's very difficult to insert and properly age documents in hardcopy archives 25-30 years old. As more things become digitized from the ground up, the necessity of using real people goes down dramatically as the governments can just "make" fake people to be their agent identieis.
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Intelligence agenceis routinely do the same thing.

Not so much n the US. It's been fairly trivial to fabricate paper trails for new identities here for the last few decades.
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Wasn't this how Connor MacLeod hid his immortality in the first Highlander movie?
Came up a couple of times in the tv series, too.
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Intelligence agenceis routinely do the same thing.

Not so much n the US. It's been fairly trivial to fabricate paper trails for new identities here for the last few decades.


Yup. Even for candidates for President! <zing>

Seriously though, local police departments don't tend to have the same access though. Using the techniques everyone else uses to create a false identity is pretty easy and cheap. Birth records are relatively easy to confirm, because they're used for all sorts of identification, death records not so much. The thinking is that someone checking up on an ID will check that the person exists by checking for birth records. But unless they know what city the child died in, finding the death records is a needle in the haystack operation. Using dead children has nothing to do with being mean to children, but simply because children don't have much of a paper trail and thus less that might contradict the cover identity.

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#9 Feb 05 2013 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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I met a guy yesterday who gave a **** about this, but he's back on his meds now.

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This is exactly what happens when you take art out of schools. Smiley: motz

You get a bunch of lazy police with no creativity. Can't think of their own secret identities. Stealing identities from dead people. How low can you go... Smiley: disappointed
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I guess 20-30 officers going by the name "James Bond" was starting to get a bit suspicious.
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I guess 20-30 officers going by the name "James Bond" was starting to get a bit suspicious.

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Are we talking about their teeth now?
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#15 Feb 05 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did they steal those from the kids too?
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There's a Newtown joke here...too soon?
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Smasharoo wrote:
There's a Newtown joke here...too soon?

Yeah, those names would be too easily recognized with the publicity. Give it five years or so, then start using their names.
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