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#52 Jan 26 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, when I initially heard this story (a few weeks ago), they were just talking about how they measured 10 subs and found only a small number of them were 11.5 inches. Seems that as the story progresses they are saying the subs are smaller and smaller.

The 10.5" measurement was per the lawyer from the case talking. Although there's another nearly identical case in New Jersey (they expect at some point they'll link up and make it a national suit) so perhaps accounts between the two differ, or there's exaggeration or just people being wrong.
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All the Quiznos around here seemed to have disappeared. They were pretty popular when I first moved here, I've no idea what happened.

I like Scholtzky's, not the greatest but better than Subway. I used to love Subway when I was a kid, it seems pretty bland to me now. There's a few deli-type places around town, I'll generally go to any of them before I got to Subway.
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Schlotzskys or bust.

A quarter pound hamburger doesn't weigh a quarter of a pound by the time it's served, either.

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Which is probably why BK or McD's or whoever don't mount an advertising campaign showing a cooked burger patty weighing four ounces. In fact, they're pretty careful to put "pre-cooked patty weight" type verbiage in very small print in their ads.

The issue here is false advertising, right? The suit might have some merit based on deliberate misrepresentation.

Now, having said that, who really cares if you get an extra bite of bread or not? The meat and cheese are pre-weighed. You'd get the same amount whether it's stretched out along twelve inches of bread or compressed onto ten and a half.

If you're that excited about mediocre bread, eat toast.
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If you're that excited about mediocre bread, eat toast.


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All the Quiznos around here seemed to have disappeared. They were pretty popular when I first moved here, I've no idea what happened.


$875 million in debts happened.
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From what I understand (which ain't a lot in this regard), Quiznos did the classic "Get moderately successful and rapidly over-expand until it all collapses" error. See: Krispy Kreme.
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They didn't even over-expand, they had to refund almost 60% of their franchise fees because the potential operators changed their mind about opening a Quiznos there.
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A quarter pound hamburger doesn't weigh a quarter of a pound by the time it's served, either.

Which is probably why BK or McD's or whoever don't mount an advertising campaign showing a cooked burger patty weighing four ounces. In fact, they're pretty careful to put "pre-cooked patty weight" type verbiage in very small print in their ads.


I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not. If they sell subs labeled as 6", 9", and 12" sizes, I expect some degree of accuracy in terms of actual length. The fact that they call it a "foot long" should be the first hint that the length is an approximation and not intended to be a precise measurement of the length of the sub.

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The issue here is false advertising, right? The suit might have some merit based on deliberate misrepresentation.


I'm sure it has some merit. I'm also equally sure it's a waste of time and money for everyone except the lawyers involved.

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Now, having said that, who really cares if you get an extra bite of bread or not? The meat and cheese are pre-weighed. You'd get the same amount whether it's stretched out along twelve inches of bread or compressed onto ten and a half.


Exactly. It's not about the exact length of the bread, but the relative "size" of the sandwich as a whole. The question should not be "did they use a term that wasn't exactly correct", but "did they actually rip off their customers in any real way"? And the answer to the latter question is "no" (well, unless you count their generally crappy quality product as a whole).



Oh. As to Quiznos, I honestly think it wasn't even over expansion, but that their product choice is questionable. It just doesn't fit into the sub sandwich market that well. While purely anecdotal, the toasted bread that is their whole selling point only really works if it's on one of their more expensive sandwiches. If I'm just getting an italian sub, I don't really need (or want) it on toasted bread. Ditto for most of the cold sandwiches. As a result, it only occurs to me to go to Quiznos if I'm in the mood for a hot toasted sandwich. And those are pretty expensive, so I only decide to do that maybe once or twice a year. I suspect that lots of other people make the same kind of choice. There's one in the mall near my home, and on the rare occasion I do go in there, I rarely ever see anyone else in the store. Maybe one other customer. I imagine this is even worse since they recently moved all the fast food type places to one end of the mall (except for the McDonalds and the El Pollo Loco which are in separate buildings). So now the Quiznos, instead of being by itself in one part of the mall is right next door to a Rubios, and a short distance from a Panda Express. Hmmm... Quiznos, or Rubios. Not really a question unless I'm really really in the mood for a toasted sandwich.
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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.

Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?
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I guess they don't teach this in the California schools but a foot (as a unit of measurement) equals exactly twelve inches. They're the same exact thing.

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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.

Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?


Cause, it's obviously the length of a person's foot.

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If they sell subs labeled as 6", 9", and 12" sizes

I guess they don't teach this in the California schools but a foot (as a unit of measurement) equals exactly twelve inches. They're the same exact thing.


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As mentioned upthread anyway, Subway already tried the "What? 'Foot long' could mean anything!" argument in the Australia case and was forced to drop it with a quickness.

Also this:


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#69 Jan 30 2013 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.


Now you're just trolling. You don't really believe all the shit you spew on this forum, do you? 'Cause that would be, well, retarded. Growing up with a 2nd cousin whom was actually developmentally disabled, I learned at a young age you can't win an argument with a 'sperger.

You don't have aspergers, do you? 'Cause that would explain TONS. Especially the delusion you're under that you're the smartest guy in the "room".
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Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?
Well, it's math, and we know how resistant to that he is.
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#72gbaji, Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 6:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And I guess they don't teach that you can't define a measurement without a number and a unit in Illinois. Labeling your subs "foot long", does not mean anything. 6" sub means a sub that is 6 inches long because it has the units "inches" and the number of those units "6". A quarter pounder is similarly a number "1/4", and a unit "pound". You'd have a point if they included the word or number "one" in the name. But they don't (or at least I've never seen them do this). How many feet are in a "foot long sub"? We can't assume that the number is 1.
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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.

Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?
A "foot" is. A "foot long" is not. If they were advertising their "one foot subs"...

They are. See the video I posted.

I mean, you're being retarded about the "foot long isn't!" [hint: it's two words*, one denoting a unit of measurement, one denoting the dimension being measured] part anyway but it's not especially worth pursuing since their ad plainly shows it being "1 Ft"

*Ok, actually it's a compound word for the sake of trademarking it when Subway uses it.

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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.

Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?
A "foot" is. A "foot long" is not. If they were advertising their "one foot subs"...

They are. See the video I posted.


Sorry. Viewing videos at work is a pain, so I hadn't checked it out. If they did, then that's it then. Stupid for them to use a measurement like that. I still maintain that had they stuck to simply calling it their "foot long sub", it would be a different issue.

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I mean, you're being retarded about the "foot long isn't!" [hint: it's two words, one denoting a unit of measurement, one denoting the dimension being measured] part anyway but it's not especially worth pursuing since their ad plainly shows it being "1 Ft"


Yes. They were stupid to do that. Um... But "foot long" is not a measurement. Unless you think "long" is a number. Did you take any physics at any point in your life?
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Ya, when I tell you something is "a foot wide, a foot high, and a foot long" you have no idea what I'm describing to you in any quantifiable way, right?
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"Long" is a term denoting the dimension being measured (i.e. length).

Did you take 1st grade math with the plastic rulers at any point in your life?
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Ya, when I tell you something is "a foot wide, a foot high, and a foot long" you have no idea what I'm describing to you in any quantifiable way, right?


Semantics though. The word "a" substitutes for the number "1". If an ad says "our subs are a foot long", then they're claiming a specific length for their subs. If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length. In the same way that calling your car lot "the mile of cars", doesn't require having a mile of cars. But if you actually say "we have a mile of cars" in your ad, then you are making that claim (and if the film is any indication, hilarity then ensues).
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Anyone want to make a bet on how many more posts Gbaji spends defending his ignorance on this subject?


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If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length.


Everything about that statement is stupid and incorrect. That you believe otherwise is just another example among hundreds (or is it thousands, by now) of exactly how delusional you are when it comes to your own ignorance.

It's also incredibly amazing the lengths at which you'll go to defend the indefensible to further that delusional state of mind, even with the other side acknowledges the real facts however contrary they may be to your own "interpretation".

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Even better:
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Also worth mentioning that no Subway sandwich in the history of Subway sandwiches has ever looked like that, length notwithstanding.
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You guys are just being manipulated by media over-dramatization at gun point. If you discarded those details, you'd absolutely see it's all semantics and the math is irrelevant.
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"Long" is a term denoting the dimension being measured (i.e. length).


True. Irrelevant, but true. You still require a number and a unit in order to define a measurement. What you are measuring (length in this case) is an entirely different matter.

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Yes. And I took physics, and chemistry, and a host of other subjects where it was drilled into me that absent both units and numbers, you don't have a useful measurement of anything. Saying "I have 5" is meaningless. 5 what? Similarly, saying "That's miles away" is meaningless. How many miles? 2? 10? It can be anything. Surely you don't assume that when someone is in the "mile high club", that they must have been exactly one mile up in the air at the time, right? It's a label. Nothing more.
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Even better:
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Also worth mentioning that no Subway sandwich in the history of Subway sandwiches has ever looked like that, length notwithstanding.

I wouldn't want my sandwich to look like that anyway. I have a hard enough time keeping the fillings inside the bread ever since they started slicing from the side, rather than the v-cut they used to do. Most of the contents of a sandwich like that would probably end up anywhere but my mouth.
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Yes. And I took physics, and chemistry, and a host of other subjects where it was drilled into me that absent both units and numbers, you don't have a useful measurement of anything.

"Foot", absent a modifier, means twelve inches.

Guess you should have paid more attention in first grade.

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If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length.


Everything about that statement is stupid and incorrect.


Nope. Everything about that statement is intelligent and incorrect.




Uh huh. Which precisely fits into this statement I made:

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If an ad says "our subs are a foot long", then they're claiming a specific length for their subs.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm defending Subway (or even care about whether Subway loses a lawsuit), so if Subway is wrong, then I'm wrong. I'm defending the use of the words "foot long" as a marketing label rather than a specific measurement. The problem with Subway is that they actually did use a measurement of 1 foot in their ad. That's why they're getting sued over the length of their subs.

The fact that this image is the proof that Subway was making a false claim is also proof of the point I'm making.
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If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length.
Everything about that statement is stupid and incorrect.
Nope. Everything about that statement is intelligent and incorrect.
Still incorrect.
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Yes. And I took physics, and chemistry, and a host of other subjects where it was drilled into me that absent both units and numbers, you don't have a useful measurement of anything.

"Foot", absent a modifier, means twelve inches.


No, it doesn't. "A foot" or "1 foot" means one foot. One foot equals 12 inches. "Foot" is a word which can refer to a unit of measurement or a part of the body. By itself we can't assume anything more than that.

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If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length.
Everything about that statement is stupid and incorrect.
Nope. Everything about that statement is intelligent and incorrect.
Still incorrect.


So "cup'o'soup" must contain exactly one cup of soup?
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It's a cup, and it has soup. So yes.
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The fact that this image is the proof that Subway was making a false claim is also proof of the point I'm making.

It's not "the proof", it's just part of the evidence of the case. It's also an easy way to shut down the "But foot long can mean anything!" argument without having to deal with dipshits who don't understand English. Or Imperial units of measurement. Which I guess for the US are called United States customary units. Go figure.
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It's a cup, and it has soup. So yes.

Subway tastes kind of like foot...
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I'm sure it's mentioned, and I'm sure that's how they avoid lawsuits, but "quarter pound" is also a specific weight measurement. "Foot long" is not.

Since when is a foot not a specific unit of measurement?


A "foot" is. A "foot long" is not. If they were advertising their "one foot subs", I'd agree that this is a measurement that equals "one foot" (a unit and a value, which is what is required to have a measurement). By advertising "foot long subs", it's clear that this is a marketing term and not intended to be a specific measurement. Well, to anyone who actually understands measurements, that is.


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"Foot" is a word which can refer to a unit of measurement or a part of the body. By itself we can't assume anything more than that.


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Absent a modifier, "foot" is obviously singular. As in "one".

"This meter long eel is responsible for 90% of diver deaths per year"
"I'm going to need the inch wide bolt"
"The mile long trek up Landmine Hill is filled with land mines."
"I'll take the foot long sub" -- "OMG I have no idea how long that should be! You didn't say 'one' foot so it could mean anything!"

Someone advertising a "Mile of Savings" would imply that there is a singular mile (5,280 feet) of savings but you'd probably be safe with the hyperbole since there's no material damage to coming and finding out that there's only 2,500' of savings. On the other hand, someone advertising "Mile long city tours" and then kicking you off the bus after two blocks would likely find themselves at the losing end of a complaint.
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If they say "come in an enjoy our foot long subs", the words "foot long" can simply be a marketing label and is not a claim of specific length.
Everything about that statement is stupid and incorrect.
Nope. Everything about that statement is intelligent and incorrect.
Still incorrect.


So "cup'o'soup" must contain exactly one cup of soup?
No, it makes one cup of soup. The instructions: add 3/4 cup boiling water to 1/4 cup soup mix.

You're clinging to a ridiculous argument.


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It's a cup, and it has soup. So yes.
Subway tastes kind of like foot...
I'll have to take your word for it.
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When I was in college, the local burrito joint advertised "Burritos as big as your head!"

I missed out on a golden money making opportunity.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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