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#1 Jan 24 2013 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.

House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."

“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.

Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.

I don't even know what to say that would make this more awesomely terrible. Man, those guys just don't know when to stop digging.

Presumably the baby will then grow up and be raised in the evidence locker.

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New Mexico? Bet it passes.
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Don't tell him you can get DNA from a fetus... Smiley: rolleyes
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Democrats control the state legislature so it won't pass. Which makes it all the more amusing (I guess it'd be less amusing if it could pass). Just some Republican moron giving her party negative media cycles for no good reason.
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Couldn't they just use the placenta for evidence instead once the abortion is complete?

FYI, I'm asking this without the knowledge of how long it take it to develop.
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You actually need the baby to be raised to age five, at which point he or she will take the stand and recount how 50% of his/her DNA was forcefully shot into to other 50%.
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Evidence is confiscated until the end of the trial, at which point it is either returned or destroyed. So maybe it'll just be a really really really really late term abortion after all.
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Evidence is confiscated until the end of the trial, at which point it is either returned or destroyed. So maybe it'll just be a really really really really late term abortion after all.


That's got to be the hardest thing to tell your kid: I'm sorry sweetie, but now that we've convicted your father state law requires you to be incinerated.

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Probably the better alternative. Imagine the mocking the poor kid will endure with a name like State's Evidence Exhibit 15b.
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with a name like State's Evidence Exhibit 15b.

Rap career in a box, with a gold plated bow.
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Something is very wrong with society if living in New Mexico helps your rap career. Smiley: disappointed
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#12 Jan 24 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
This was a woman's idea?

Really?
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This was a woman's idea?

Really?


Unfortunately, some of the female pro-lifers are just as insane as the male ones.
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This was a woman's idea?

Really?


Unfortunately, some of the female pro-lifers are just as insane as the male ones.


Yet another reason I shy away from church bake sales.
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Doesn't seem that nutty to me frankly, if you start with the position that abortion is murder, you should offer bills like this. I think that's a flawed position, obviously, but if it's where you are, and you're a legislator, you're basically saying "meh, I guess baby murder is ok" if you don't at least try.

Why you'd specify rape is the media attention it will obviously garner. I didn't know who Cathrynn Brown was yesterday. Which I imagine is the point.
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Just for the record, just because this chick introduced the bill that does not mean that it was her idea or that she wrote it. She obviously endorses it, but my guess would be that whoever came up with the idea decided it would be a good idea to have a woman introduce it.

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Just for the record, just because this chick introduced the bill that does not mean that it was her idea or that she wrote it. She obviously endorses it, but my guess would be that whoever came up with the idea decided it would be a good idea to have a woman introduce it.


What a bizarre thing to think. Having a ****** doesn't magically make one sensible and on the right side of the reproductive freedom debate.
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Of course she's from Carlsbad. Smiley: facepalm

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Brown, R-Carlsbad, said her bill was badly drafted and that she did not catch the language problems when reviewing it. "I missed this one," she said Thursday.


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Rep. Nate Gentry, R-Albuquerque, said Brown's intent was to focus on a perpetrator, such as a stepfather who raped a teen, impregnated her and then demanded that she get an abortion.
Not that I believe them, since I know what kind of nuts come out of that town, but at least she's trying to call it a mistake.

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Of course she's from Carlsbad. Smiley: facepalm


Does that mean that she's been living in a cave all these years?
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What a bizarre thing to think. Having a ****** doesn't magically make one sensible and on the right side of the reproductive freedom debate.


Of course not. But it does look better to have a woman promoting it since it is a bill that effects women.
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Just for the record, just because this chick introduced the bill that does not mean that it was her idea or that she wrote it. She obviously endorses it, but my guess would be that whoever came up with the idea decided it would be a good idea to have a woman introduce it.


What a bizarre thing to think. Having a ****** doesn't magically make one sensible and on the right side of the reproductive freedom debate.


There's like two or three layers of sarcasm there, right?

/em recounts all the times the "only women's opinions matter on abortion" argument has been made on this forum.
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Of course she's from Carlsbad. Smiley: facepalm


Does that mean that she's been living in a cave all these years?
The town is much worse than the cave. I mean, this is a town that spent a ridiculous sum of money on some ditches because they thought it would attract tourists.

Edit: My head hurts. No more reading new asylum threads this close to bedtime.

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/em recounts all the times the "only women's opinions matter on abortion" argument has been made on this forum.

Made by women, mostly. I personally think that position is ridiculous and self-destructive.
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/em recounts all the times the "only women's opinions matter on abortion" argument has been made on this forum.

Made by women, mostly. I personally think that position is ridiculous and self-destructive.


There are a few manginas around here who have echoed the sentiment I think. Could be wrong though. Hard to tell sometimes. Smiley: tongue
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gbaji wrote:
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/em recounts all the times the "only women's opinions matter on abortion" argument has been made on this forum.

Made by women, mostly. I personally think that position is ridiculous and self-destructive.


There are a few manginas around here who have echoed the sentiment I think. Could be wrong though. Hard to tell sometimes. Smiley: tongue

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Just as a fun follow up. My forum-stalking wife just texted me and said how cute she thought it was that the two of you think you matter at all when it comes to abortion.

That's right, I let my wife fight my battles for me. Smiley: cool

Smiley: lol


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If this wasn't such a litigious, reactionary society I would jokingly suggest somebody rape Ms. Brown and tell her that she has to keep the baby.

But after a quick GIS that might be harder to get done than I thought.
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/em recounts all the times the "only women's opinions matter on abortion" argument has been made on this forum.

I don't believe you.

I believe you believe yourself. But I don't believe you.

I must request proof of such accusations.
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Near as I can remember, the only point people have made that "only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.

In other words, "I have the final say of what happens to my own body."
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"only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.


Wouldn't those two be linked in at a very basic level that makes them impossible to separate though?

Someone who believes that all abortion is wrong and should be illegal is basically going to that woman who would be considering an abortion and saying "No, you cannot get one."

A woman who is saying "Your non-female opinion doesn't matter because this is my body." is going to that person who believes that all abortion is wrong and should be illegal and saying "Your opinion doesn't matter."
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Wouldn't those two be linked in at a very basic level that makes them impossible to separate though?


No.
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"only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.


Wouldn't those two be linked in at a very basic level that makes them impossible to separate though?
Why do they need to be separated? A pregnant woman can chose to vote for abortion legalization, so can a man. His opinion matters as much as hers. The man doesn't get to vote on whether she aborts her baby or not.
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The man doesn't get to vote on whether she aborts her baby or not.


He does if he just voted to make it illegal for her to. That's what I mean at that "basic level". If only a woman's opinion matters on whether she gets the abortion, how can a man's opinion matter of whether or not it's even legal for her to do so? Sure, if the man votes yes on abortion legality, the woman still has a choice. But if the man votes no on abortion legality, that takes away her choice. There are more male congress critters than female.
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Near as I can remember, the only point people have made that "only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.

Nah, in the various abortion threads over the years, there's always a few people saying "Haha, look at you men thinking you should even get to have an opinion on this..."

I don't remember any men saying it though (I suppose I wouldn't rule it out entirely).
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Near as I can remember, the only point people have made that "only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.

Nah, in the various abortion threads over the years, there's always a few people saying "Haha, look at you men thinking you should even get to have an opinion on this..."

I don't remember any men saying it though (I suppose I wouldn't rule it out entirely).

Oh, then those people be whack, yo
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The man doesn't get to vote on whether she aborts her baby or not.


He does if he just voted to make it illegal for her to. That's what I mean at that "basic level". If only a woman's opinion matters on whether she gets the abortion, how can a man's opinion matter of whether or not it's even legal for her to do so? Sure, if the man votes yes on abortion legality, the woman still has a choice. But if the man votes no on abortion legality, that takes away her choice. There are more male congress critters than female.

A man's opinion shouldn't matter in deciding about an individuals decision to have a baby or not. Another woman's shouldn't either.

The courts have decided to make it a legal issue though. As long as it is, we the people - man or woman, get to vote or elect politicians to vote for us to make laws that we agree with.

I get to vote my opinion on things that don't directly impact me all the time.

If, back in the mid 1800's only black people were allowed to have an opinion and/or vote about slavery in the US because only black people were slaves, we'd probably still have slaves.
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If, back in the mid 1800's only black people were allowed to have an opinion and/or vote about slavery in the US because only black people were slaves, we'd probably still have slaves.

Really? Seems unlikely that black people were torn from the loving arms of slavery by well meaning crackers against their will.
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
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So if she dies during child birth, does rape become murder?
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Maybe aggravated manslaughter.
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So if she dies during child birth, does rape become murder?

We can have mercy there: 3rd degree manslaughter, 3 months in jail and 5 years probation. As long as she doesn't get raped again during the probation period I'm sure the court will be lenient.
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So if she dies during child birth, does rape become murder?

No, but the baby can be put on trial for murder. Separate case.
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So if she dies during child birth, does rape become murder?

No, but the baby can be put on trial for murder. Separate case.


Unless the baby is Stewie Griffin it would be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
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Near as I can remember, the only point people have made that "only women's opinions matter" is in the case of a woman who is pregnant and considering abortion for herself... not when it comes to legislating the legality of abortion.

Nah, in the various abortion threads over the years, there's always a few people saying "Haha, look at you men thinking you should even get to have an opinion on this..."

I don't remember any men saying it though (I suppose I wouldn't rule it out entirely).

I think that what you guys keep forgetting is that a woman's opinion is all that matters on all subjects.
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He does if he just voted to make it illegal for her to. That's what I mean at that "basic level". If only a woman's opinion matters on whether she gets the abortion, how can a man's opinion matter of whether or not it's even legal for her to do so? Sure, if the man votes yes on abortion legality, the woman still has a choice. But if the man votes no on abortion legality, that takes away her choice. There are more male congress critters than female.


I seem to recall that the whole unfairness of a congress made up mostly of men passing legislation about abortion was brought up fairly front and center the last time we had an abortion thread. And I'm pretty sure it was more than just one or two people arguing that since it only affects women then men should not have any say in it at all (even legislatively). Said opinion was generally disagreed with by the board as a whole as being ridiculous (and frankly unworkable in any real legal system), but it is an opinion that crops up in this subject with sufficient frequency to make note of.


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I think the "men shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on this" line is one that is trotted out when someone just gets fed up and frustrated. I think the amount of people who actually believe that are few and far between.

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Not to spoil the "lol GOP" party, but after the initial kerfuffle, Rep. Brown clarified that the intent of the bill is to strengthen punish of the rapist for forcing or coercing the victim to get an abortion.

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“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter *** offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”
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Ya, that was already brought up previously.
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Yeah, she can say whatever she wants as she tries to backpedal out of the spotlight. The text of the law clearly states that procuring an abortion is tampering with evidence. It also includes coercion but does not specify that coercion must take place for the law to apply.

Now if she wants to amend it to clearly state that this law never holds the mother culpable, she should do just that.

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Now if she wants to amend it to clearly state that this law never holds the mother culpable, she should do just that.


What if it is an older woman sexing up an under aged boy and then getting an abortion herself to destroy evidence Smiley: tinfoilhat

But ya, seems pretty clear that it was an attempt from the "No Abortions Ever" crowd to try and counter the "Well, what about rape?" exception crowd.
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