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#52 Jan 08 2013 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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Haha http://www.stopthecoin.com

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I'd stop it too if it was going to get minted with that lame picture of bama.

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I'd be ok with this one too.
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Getting your face on a Platinum coin is so Gangsta.
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#59gbaji, Posted: Jan 08 2013 at 4:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's amusing to me how often people who actually don't know what they're talking about insist that those who disagree with them must be as ignorant as they are. Do you understand how the Federal Reserve works? More importantly, do you understand why it works? Do you understand why people accept a piece of paper with a number on it as a currency for which they will exchange goods and services? I'll give you a hint: It's not because the US mint printed or struck the bill or coin. It's because a third party (a conglomeration of banks in this case) accepted it as currency they will accept. And because they will accept it, all other banks they do business with will. It's about faith that said coin or bill represents something of actual value (rightly or wrongly). In the absence of that faith, the object has zero value at all as currency.
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Minting it is only half the equation.
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What to put on the back side of the Bama-coin??
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I know what the mint does and how it works.

Apparently not. All coins minted by the US government are legal tender for their printed face value.

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There's nothing to prevent them from making a platinum coin with a vastly higher value printed on it then its innate value as a collectible, but who would accept it.

The same people who accept a piece of paper linen with $100 on it as being worth one hundred US dollars.

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It's amusing to me how often people who actually don't know what they're talking about insist that those who disagree with them must be as ignorant as they are.

Well, I'm glad that even in the depths of your displayed ignorance, you can find mirth. Must make it go easier Smiley: smile
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Putting it into circulation is a whole different issue.

What makes you think it would need to enter circulation. That's a fascinatingly wrong way to look at this. The coin itself serves no purpose other than to remove the "debt" part of the debt ceiling. The Fed still auctions T-Bills, there's still actual debt, it's just borrowing against the $1t on it's balance sheet instead of air. Functionally, of course, it's identical to raising the debt ceiling. It just end runs the congressional approval process which likely shouldn't exist anyway.
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#63gbaji, Posted: Jan 08 2013 at 6:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) But those people only accept it because the banking system will accept it in return. If I write $100 on a piece of paper, you wont accept it unless you can deposit it in a bank. Similarly, no vendor will accept it unless their bank will accept it. Otherwise, it's just a piece of paper with a number written on it. Currency is only currency if the banking institutions accept it as such.
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You don't understand what "legal tender" means in practical terms. Well, you have a childlike understanding of it, I suppose.

Right. Stinging retort from the guy who, last night, obviously had no idea that commemorative coins were legal tender Smiley: laugh

I get it. You were wrong, you're embarrassed and you'll word spew until people stop responding and make yourself feel better thinking you "won".
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Putting it into circulation is a whole different issue.

What makes you think it would need to enter circulation. That's a fascinatingly wrong way to look at this. The coin itself serves no purpose other than to remove the "debt" part of the debt ceiling. The Fed still auctions T-Bills, there's still actual debt, it's just borrowing against the $1t on it's balance sheet instead of air. Functionally, of course, it's identical to raising the debt ceiling. It just end runs the congressional approval process which likely shouldn't exist anyway.


Yes. And the moment the Fed issues the T-bills, it increases the very debt that they're trying to avoid hitting. That's what I was talking about. The moment you actually try to use it, you incur an increase in debt equal to the value of the coin you minted. And that is legally bound by the debt ceiling legislation. The Debt ceiling has nothing to do with total dollars in circulation (or minted, or whatever). It is the total dollar value of all outstanding Treasury Bills. That's it. You can't get around that in any useful way.
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You don't understand what "legal tender" means in practical terms. Well, you have a childlike understanding of it, I suppose.

Right. Stinging retort from the guy who, last night, obviously had no idea that commemorative coins were legal tender Smiley: laugh


I didn't mean to suggest that they weren't legal tender, but that the aren't used as legal tender. No one uses a commemorative Gold Dollar to buy a taco off the dollar menu at a fast food joint Joph. They could do so, but they'd be stupid if they did.

In the same way that someone *could* pay $1T for a $50 platinum coin with "US One Trillion Dollars" printed on it. But no one will. See how that works?
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You don't understand what "legal tender" means in practical terms. Well, you have a childlike understanding of it, I suppose.

Right. Stinging retort from the guy who, last night, obviously had no idea that commemorative coins were legal tender Smiley: laugh

Just curious are these commemorative coins from the US Mint, or the "private non monetary mint" you hear about on the TV commercials trying to sell you coins clad in 99.9999%, that's four 9s, pure gold.
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I didn't mean to suggest that they weren't legal tender, but that the aren't used as legal tender.

Hahahahahah... right. That's exactly what you meant Smiley: laugh
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You don't understand what "legal tender" means in practical terms. Well, you have a childlike understanding of it, I suppose.

Right. Stinging retort from the guy who, last night, obviously had no idea that commemorative coins were legal tender Smiley: laugh

Just curious are these commemorative coins from the US Mint, or the "private non monetary mint" you hear about on the TV commercials trying to sell you coins clad in 99.9999%, that's four 9s, pure gold.

From the US Mint. They commonly mint, say, a $5 gold coin commemorating Gulf War veterans. Then they sell them as proofs for $100 or something and the $95 difference (or whatever the production difference is) goes towards some veterans program. But the coin itself is legally worth $5 if you wanted to use it to buy a Big Mac. You probably wouldn't for the same reason you wouldn't use that one upside-down airplane stamp to mail off your water bill payment but you could and it's as acceptable as a five dollar bill. Presumably (I'm guessing) part of their value comes from the fact that anyone can create some knock-off "gold coin" with an eagle on it but only the US Mint can add a denomination. Copying some Franklin Mint coin is copyright/trademark infringement; copying a US Mint coin is counterfeiting.

Gbaji said that such coins don't count as "real US currency without Congressional action" which is just wrong in this case. Now he's frantically backpedaling and saying OF COURSE he knew they were real just, you know...

Anyway, have fun watching him flip out some more and try to cover for his remarks. Should be good times.

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Gbaji said that such coins don't count as "real US currency without Congressional action" which is just wrong in this case. Now he's frantically backpedaling and saying OF COURSE he knew they were real just, you know...


And you're frantically jumping on some poor wording I used earlier while ignoring the key point. It doesn't "count" in the sense that it's not used as part of the normal money supply. From an economic perspective, it's a commodity. That it could also be used as currency valued less than its commodity value is an interesting side note, but has no real economic impact. In the same way that speculating and arguing about a $1T platinum coin is a great distraction from the very real debt issues at hand, but it doesn't have any actual real economic impact (at least not in terms of debt reduction or avoidance of the debt ceiling by the government).

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Anyway, have fun watching him flip out some more and try to cover for his remarks.


The parts of my remarks that you're focusing on have nothing to do with whether or not the minting of a $1T platinum coin could be used to side step the debt ceiling restriction. Try to stay on point.
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Anyway, have fun watching him flip out some more and try to cover for his remarks. Should be good times.
We clearly have differing view points on what constitutes good times.
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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.


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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.

Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
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I say just dissolve the Fed, and open a new bank. Essentially the Fed holds most of your Debt, you hold it yourself. If I owed myself money Id just forget about it and move on.

You could knock out like 10 Trillion opening a new central bank. Be left with a couple trillion in foreign and domestic investment, and 5 Trillion held by foreign governments.

You owe yourselves 10 Trillion dollars...why not just say @#%^ it you been a good buddy self, and Ive been good to you...lets call it even.


Instead of The Federal Reserve Bank. You could call it the Federal Reserve.



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Anyway, have fun watching him flip out some more and try to cover for his remarks. Should be good times.
We clearly have differing view points on what constitutes good times.
It's not good times if you don't leave any marks.
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Yes. And the moment the Fed issues the T-bills, it increases the very debt that they're trying to avoid hitting. That's what I was talking about. The moment you actually try to use it, you incur an increase in debt equal to the value of the coin you minted. And that is legally bound by the debt ceiling legislation.

Nope. The Fed loans against assets on it's balance sheet *all the time*. It's not considered debt then. I'm not sure where you get your idea of what is "legally bound" by statute. Matlock? There are (weak) arguments against minting a high value coin for this purpose, *none of them* involve debt sold against the asset as "counting" towards the debt ceiling legislation. *All of them* have to do with the intent of the original minting statue wording. There's no argument at all that borrowing against assets deposited at the Fed ever count as debt.

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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.
Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
Just buy the lobbyists. It's like a two-for-one sale.
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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.
Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
Just buy the lobbyists. It's like a two-for-one sale.

Still not worth it without a matching manufacturer's coupon.
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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.
Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
Just buy the lobbyists. It's like a two-for-one sale.

Still not worth it without a matching manufacturer's coupon.

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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.
Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
Just buy the lobbyists. It's like a two-for-one sale.
 
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I'll gladly trade the "mint a trillion dollar coin to circumvent the debt ceiling" loophole for the "you actually need 60 Senators to pass legislation, not 51" loophole and the various "free money for wealthy investors" tax loopholes.
Fool! With a trillion dollars, you could buy all fifty senators! And, like, a hundred thousand more senators, just to hedge your bets.
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Yes. And the moment the Fed issues the T-bills, it increases the very debt that they're trying to avoid hitting. That's what I was talking about. The moment you actually try to use it, you incur an increase in debt equal to the value of the coin you minted. And that is legally bound by the debt ceiling legislation.

Nope. The Fed loans against assets on it's balance sheet *all the time*. It's not considered debt then. I'm not sure where you get your idea of what is "legally bound" by statute. Matlock? There are (weak) arguments against minting a high value coin for this purpose, *none of them* involve debt sold against the asset as "counting" towards the debt ceiling legislation. *All of them* have to do with the intent of the original minting statue wording. There's no argument at all that borrowing against assets deposited at the Fed ever count as debt.


You're missing the key step "deposited at the Fed", and also missing the key point I wrote. The federal debt is the total dollar value of all outstanding treasury bills. How they come to be outstanding is irrelevant. We've had discussions in the past about intergovernmental debt and whether/how-much it counts as "real debt", but for purposes of the debt ceiling it does not matter. Your earlier post mentioned the use of t-bills as part of how the coin(s) would be used. All I'm saying is that once t-bills are issued, it adds to the debt which is limited by the debt ceiling.


I've already said that if said coin could be used in a way that didn't involve additional T-bills, you could avoid increasing the debt and thus the need to increase the debt ceiling. However, I don't think it's possible, not because of legality, but because all other methods would require that some third party accept the coin as actually being worth $1T all by itself. No one's going to do that. The Fed wont do it. China wont do it. The issue is less about the legal ability of the US to mint the coin, and how a monetary source obtains value. The US government could also just declare it has a Trillion dollars in the treasury. And the Fed's response will be the same: "We'll let you borrow against it just like we normally let you borrow against the faith/credit of the US economy". The claimed value of something is irrelevant. As I said earlier, dollars have value because they are borrowed, cycle through the economy, and return to the original lender. It's not about the physical coins and paper.
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You're missing the key step "deposited at the Fed", and also missing the key point I wrote. The federal debt is the total dollar value of all outstanding treasury bills. How they come to be outstanding is irrelevant.

Nope, it's extremely relevant.

We've had discussions in the past about intergovernmental debt and whether/how-much it counts as "real debt", but for purposes of the debt ceiling it does not matter. Your earlier post mentioned the use of t-bills as part of how the coin(s) would be used. All I'm saying is that once t-bills are issued, it adds to the debt which is limited by the debt ceiling.


Yes, I understand. You are wrong. Not in my opinion, mind you, that's just not how the debt ceiling functions.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL31967.pdf

That's how it functions. It's not a secret. We don't have to "assume" we understand how it works by making wild guesses.
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You're missing the key step "deposited at the Fed", and also missing the key point I wrote. The federal debt is the total dollar value of all outstanding treasury bills. How they come to be outstanding is irrelevant.

Nope, it's extremely relevant.

We've had discussions in the past about intergovernmental debt and whether/how-much it counts as "real debt", but for purposes of the debt ceiling it does not matter. Your earlier post mentioned the use of t-bills as part of how the coin(s) would be used. All I'm saying is that once t-bills are issued, it adds to the debt which is limited by the debt ceiling.


Yes, I understand. You are wrong. Not in my opinion, mind you, that's just not how the debt ceiling functions.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL31967.pdf


Huh? You just linked to a source which confirms what I just wrote:

"The Sum of debt held by public and debt held by government is the total federal debt".

Both of those are measures of outstanding T-bills Smash. WTF? How about instead of just linking to stuff and assuming it supports what you're saying, you actually find some quote which supports what you're saying? That would be a novel approach, wouldn't it?

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What's how it functions? You didn't actually say anything Smash. You just linked to a document. The total federal debt is the total dollar amount of all outstanding treasury bills. Period. There are two methods under which the treasury issues bills:

1. It borrows money from the public, typically to make up for a deficit. This is called "Debt held by public".

2. It borrows money from budgeted government programs. This happens when congress mandates that X dollars fund a given program, but the program has a surplus. instead of having congress pass a new law every time this happens, the treasury simply hands the program X dollars in T-bills, and takes the money out and re-allocates it to some other program. This is called "intergovernmental debt" (or "Debt held by Government" as the document you linked calls it).


Point being those are the only two ways that treasury bills exist, and their total is the total of federal debt. The debt ceiling caps federal debt. Therefore, if you increase the number of T-bills outstanding, you increase the federal debt. If your process to leverage the $1T coin through the Fed involves the treasury handing the Fed a $1T worth of T-bills as it's method of borrowing against the coin, then that process increases the federal debt by $1T. Period. You can't use that as a means to get around the debt ceiling.


For a guy who claims to understand economics and monetary theory, you're sure failing to grasp the most simple concepts here.
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Both of those are measures of outstanding T-bills Smash. WTF? How about instead of just linking to stuff and assuming it supports what you're saying, you actually find some quote which supports what you're saying? That would be a novel approach, wouldn't it?

Read the whole thing.

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For a guy who claims to understand economics and monetary theory, you're sure failing to grasp the most simple concepts here.

Yeah, it's that or you missed something. Either I, and everyone else who has commented on the legality of the coin approach misunderstood a simple fact that you inferred with no actual knowledge of the mechanics...or...you missed something.

Let's reiterate the "everyone else" includes former Treasury secretaries, Nobel Prize winning economic theorists, constitutional scholars (Larry Tribe at the diploma factory I hung out at, for instance) etc.

We're either *all* incorrect....or you missed something.

Occam s razor and all that, obviously we're all wrong. It's weird how you can pinpoint when you start to go to crazytown, and in some ways so disappointingly easy to manipulate.
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For a guy who claims to understand economics and monetary theory, you're sure failing to grasp the most simple concepts here.

Yeah, it's that or you missed something. Either I, and everyone else who has commented on the legality of the coin approach misunderstood a simple fact that you inferred with no actual knowledge of the mechanics...or...you missed something.


I never said it wasn't legal. I said that it wouldn't accomplish what people think it would. In more or less the exact same way that someone can claim that "buying a red car will allow me to drive 200mph!", but no amount of pointing out how it's legal to buy a red car means that said red car will allow him to drive 200mph.

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Let's reiterate the "everyone else" includes former Treasury secretaries, Nobel Prize winning economic theorists, constitutional scholars (Larry Tribe at the diploma factory I hung out at, for instance) etc.


Uh huh... It's not about distraction at all though. Krugman said in his article(s) that you'd still end out having to raise the debt to actually use the coin Smash. But Krugman is well aware that downplaying that aspect of the issue and just going along with the whole "yeah. They could do that!" bit provides a helpful distraction. That guy hasn't been a serious economist in like 20 years. He's all about the politics of economic language, not the economics itself.

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We're either *all* incorrect....or you missed something.


Or I saw something you missed. And btw, "we" isn't correct. I'm reasonably certain all those experts you're talking about know exactly what I'm talking about. But they know that most people wont know that, so they just don't mention it. They didn't miss anything. I didn't miss anything. You may or may not have missed anything, depending on whether you honestly believe a coin could be used that way, or you're just playing to a crowd you know doesn't know one way or another. I'm still somewhat on the fence with that one.

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Occam s razor and all that, obviously we're all wrong. It's weird how you can pinpoint when you start to go to crazytown, and in some ways so disappointingly easy to manipulate.


Occam's razor tells us that we should look at what people actually say about the coin, not what other infer from it. There's no contradiction in reality. It's two different things.
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Oh. It's Friday, so why don't you pull whatever quotes from the linked pdf you've got that'll prove that federal debt is not the sum total of all T-bills outstanding. I'm honestly curious to see what you've got.
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#91 Jan 10 2013 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
Unless San Diego move to future land, it's still Thursday.
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#92 Jan 10 2013 at 5:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Still Thursday here on the east coast as well. Maybe Gbaji lives in asia?
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Lol! Total brain fart. Got waaaaay too much stuff going on atm.
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gbaji wrote:
Lol! Total brain fart. Got waaaaay too much stuff going on atm.

But not as busy as the two weeks after the election...
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Debalic wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Lol! Total brain fart. Got waaaaay too much stuff going on atm.

But not as busy as the two weeks after the election...


Different kinds of busy. Busy with developing and testing some automated configuration processes, licensing implementation, and coordinating some modifications to some already done systems, gives me time between configs/reboots/whatever to do things like post. Might be a bit distracted, but it doesn't prevent me reading and writing on the forum. Busy re-coding some incredibly complicated and obscurely written bastardization of pearl pretty much requires getting one's head completely into what you're doing. Take 5 minutes to think about something else and you'll lose the 3 hours worth of coding ideas you had juggling in your head just a minute ago. Think of it like trying to solve a puzzle in your head, and then writing down the solution you figured out. In my case, there were a half dozen different parts of the script which all needed to be modified in tandem. You can't stop halfway through doing those bits or you risk frankly ending up with the code that the previous guy handed me in the first place (I kid you not, there were sometimes three of four different functions with only slightly different names that did more or less the same thing, and were called by those different names throughout the main program apparently purely because he'd forgotten that he already had a function that did what he wanted. And don't get me started on the meandering path of variable names). And it's not just one change. It's a series of changes, each of which lead to the need to make another set, etc, etc.

That kind of busy involves shutting your door, turning off your phone, and focusing on just what you're doing with as few distractions as possible.

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That kind of busy involves shutting your door, turning off your phone, and focusing on just what you're doing with as few distractions as possible.


You took a week off to jerk off? I hope you remembered to moisturize.
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Gbaji wrote:
That kind of busy involves shutting your door, turning off your phone, and focusing on just what you're doing with as few distractions as possible.


You took a week off to jerk off? I hope you remembered to moisturize.

Man, I miss being seventeen...
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Well, I'm pretty sure it's Friday now.
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But only pretty sure?
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You've still got an hour or two to figure it out.
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You've still got an hour or two to figure it out.


He's furiously **** as we speak.
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