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#27 Jan 10 2013 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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I don't approve of their methods, but I approve less of an entire town colluding to cover up the misbehavior of their youth in order to protect a friggin football team.
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I don't approve of their methods, but I approve less of an entire town colluding to cover up the misbehavior of their youth in order to protect a friggin football team.

Really? I don't give a fuck at all. Probably because I don't know that's happening in a case that hasn't been tried and is working it's way through the criminal justice process (and neither do you, incidentally) and also because there are limits to how much anyone can care about and I've carved out a space for **** that actually matters to me leaving no space for "anonymous random girl may or may not have been assaulted sexually by douche-bags in some town I'll never be within 500 miles of"
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I don't approve of their methods, but I approve less of an entire town colluding to cover up the misbehavior of their youth in order to protect a friggin football team.


One of those things we know is happening. The other is pure speculation.
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I don't approve of their methods, but I approve less of an entire town colluding to cover up the misbehavior of their youth in order to protect a friggin football team.


One of those things we know is happening. The other is pure speculation.

Just had a flashback to the Florida shooter thing. Smiley: rolleyes

That thing's not resolved yet ya?
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#35 Jan 10 2013 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think that re-upping a video some **** made of himself mocking the rape of an unconscious young woman is "vigilantism" - nor is it convicting someone without due process. It's holding them to account for their words and actions through public shaming. I don't see anything wrong with this. In fact, I see the lack of cohesive community, along with the missing component of social pressure that brings as part of the problem leading to these atrocious crimes.
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Anonymous has taken up the case, hacking a site dedicated to high school sports in Steubenville and separately publishing on one of its websites a trove of images, texts and accusations involving students, coaches and boosters. Those individuals have not been named or charged by authorities with any crime.

Anonymous says it is collecting detailed information about the personal affairs of football boosters and others in Steubenville who the group claims may have helped cover up the alleged attack. It's also planning a protest "to help those who have been victimized by the football team or other regimes."

"The town of Steubenville has been good at keeping this quiet and their star football team protected," an Anonymous member wearing the group's trademark Guy Fawkes mask says in a video posted to the group's LocalLeaks website.

The organization, he says, will not allow "a group of young men who turn to rape as a game or sport get the pass because of athletic ability or small-town luck."


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I don't think that re-upping a video some **** made of himself mocking the rape of an unconscious young woman is "vigilantism" - nor is it convicting someone without due process. It's holding them to account for their words and actions through public shaming. I don't see anything wrong with this. In fact, I see the lack of cohesive community, along with the missing component of social pressure that brings as part of the problem leading to these atrocious crimes.



Their actions go well beyond releasing just information and facts related to the case itself. From the article, it appears as though they're finding anything that could be embarrassing about anyone they think might be related to the case, presumably to use as pressure if the town doesn't do what they think they should. All because they assume some kind of weak stereotype involving a cover up to protect the local football team must be happening, purely because it's a small town where football is a big deal. Can't see how this could ever end badly at all!

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All because they assume some kind of weak stereotype involving a cover up to protect the local football team must be happening, purely because it's a small town where football is a big deal. Can't see how this could ever end badly at all!

OR the lulz. Let's not attribute complex motivations to this group. They rarely actually have any.
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All because they assume some kind of weak stereotype involving a cover up to protect the local football team must be happening, purely because it's a small town where football is a big deal. Can't see how this could ever end badly at all!

OR the lulz. Let's not attribute complex motivations to this group. They rarely actually have any.


True. All the more reason to not respond with "OMG! Anonymous says they're bad people and we should hate them, so I'm going to do just that!!!".
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True. All the more reason to not respond with "OMG! Anonymous says they're bad people and we should hate them, so I'm going to do just that!!!".


Are any of us saying that? Besides, we don't need anonymous to tell us that **** laughing about thinking a girl was dead while she was being raped and joking that her being raped was her "dying wish" is a bad person. He told the world himself when he made that video.

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gbaji wrote:

True. All the more reason to not respond with "OMG! Anonymous says they're bad people and we should hate them, so I'm going to do just that!!!".


Are any of us saying that?


Yes:

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I don't approve of their methods, but I approve less of an entire town colluding to cover up the misbehavior of their youth in order to protect a friggin football team.


People absolutely are saying that the whole town is engaged in some kind of cover up, more or less solely because Anonymous said they were (or suspected they were, or implied it, hacked the school web site to find evidence of it, or whatever else is making people think that this must be true).

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Besides, we don't need anonymous to tell us that **** laughing about thinking a girl was dead while she was being raped and joking that her being raped was her "dying wish" is a bad person. He told the world himself when he made that video.


Yup. Which is utterly irrelevant to the points I was making about the actions of Anonymous and how it equated to mob justice and was a bad idea. If all Anonymous did was release that video, I don't think anyone would have an issue with their actions. But their self proclaimed mission to expose the town for covering up the events surrounding the rape of this girl (and the purely speculative assumption that it has anything to do with protecting a football team) goes well beyond that. The very act of doing and saying that makes people believe that a cover up must have occurred, even though there is no evidence of it.

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Are any of us saying that? Besides, we don't need anonymous to tell us that **** laughing about thinking a girl was dead while she was being raped and joking that her being raped was her "dying wish" is a bad person. He told the world himself when he made that video.


Maybe. Or maybe he had a bad ten minutes. If someone showed the world video of just the stupid things I said when I was 16 they might think...you know what, I'm a bad example, but you get the idea. Your entire knowledge of this kids personality is based on what's likely him at his worst. That's a poor way to judge someone. Maybe he's a piece of **** the world is better without, but you can't tell from the information that's actually available.
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What!? Young drunk people saying really really stupid things? That can't be true!
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Are any of us saying that? Besides, we don't need anonymous to tell us that **** laughing about thinking a girl was dead while she was being raped and joking that her being raped was her "dying wish" is a bad person. He told the world himself when he made that video.


Maybe. Or maybe he had a bad ten minutes. If someone showed the world video of just the stupid things I said when I was 16 they might think...you know what, I'm a bad example, but you get the idea. Your entire knowledge of this kids personality is based on what's likely him at his worst. That's a poor way to judge someone. Maybe he's a piece of sh*t the world is better without, but you can't tell from the information that's actually available.


That's rich.
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Smasharoo wrote:

Are any of us saying that? Besides, we don't need anonymous to tell us that **** laughing about thinking a girl was dead while she was being raped and joking that her being raped was her "dying wish" is a bad person. He told the world himself when he made that video.


Maybe. Or maybe he had a bad ten minutes. If someone showed the world video of just the stupid things I said when I was 16 they might think...you know what, I'm a bad example, but you get the idea. Your entire knowledge of this kids personality is based on what's likely him at his worst. That's a poor way to judge someone. Maybe he's a piece of sh*t the world is better without, but you can't tell from the information that's actually available.


That's rich.

Well, except for when they were raping an unconscious underaged girl, those football players were probably good enough boys. We can't judge them just because of what they did at their worst.

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Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.



If you visit Hemingway house in Key West, they still have the urinal he ripped out of Sloppy Joe's bar's bathroom in the back yard. His wife just shrugged and planted flowers in it.

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catwho wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Ernest Hemingway wrote:
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.



If you visit Hemingway house in Key West, they still have the urinal he ripped out of Sloppy Joe's bar's bathroom in the back yard. His wife just shrugged and planted flowers in it.

Edited, Jan 11th 2013 10:29am by catwho

Up here in New England, anything porcelain that's no longer serving it's original purpose in the bathroom gets a Virgin Mary figurine stuck in/on it along with a cross and flower or two, and then becomes a yard shrine.
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It's a fucked up world. Smash and gbaji agreeing. And I agree with them both as well. Has Texas frozen over?
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It's a fucked up world. Smash and gbaji agreeing. And I agree with them both as well. Has Texas frozen over?

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#51 Jan 11 2013 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Clearly this young woman should have been carrying a gun. That would have made those young men simply run away instead of drugging her, carrying her from party to party, and repeatedly sexually molesting her.
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