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#27 Jan 02 2013 at 6:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can't you do both? I assume you wouldn't want them buying heroin or something with food stamps.

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#28 Jan 02 2013 at 6:22 PM Rating: Default
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Either we revamp the whole food stamp system so that only 100% healthy purchases can be made, or we let the poor people have their soda. Soda is a very arbitrary line to draw. Is it the caffeine? The sugar? The carbonation? What about caffeine free, sugar free soda? What about sparkling San Pellegrino water flavored with fruit juice? What about the fact that apple juice from concentrate is just as processed and has even more sugar (and *********


This. Initially against allowing the purchase of soda, but unless the entire system is redone, as it should be, then randomly banning certain things is a waste of effort that should be spent on other things.
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This thread made me realize that if my husband takes too long to recover, I might be on food stamps. Smiley: frown
#30 Jan 02 2013 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Can't you do both? I assume you wouldn't want them buying heroin or something with food stamps.


It would not surprise me at all if the local heroin dealer takes food stamps. In fact, I'd be shocked if he didn't. But hey! We can at least do something about them buying soda, so there's that.
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#31 Jan 02 2013 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Can't you do both? I assume you wouldn't want them buying heroin or something with food stamps.

I assumed that illegal purchases would be ruled out, what with being illegal to purchase regardless of the currency.

Can't slip anything past this crowd.
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#32 Jan 02 2013 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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So this ban on soda's by states or even cities requires a waiver from the feds. Apparently the feds rejected NYC's attempt to ban soda from food stamps sales. They said it was too large and complex of an experiment. Lol....ever seen dot shipping regs?
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Jessica Shahin, an associate administrator in the Agriculture Department, wrote that the waiver the city sought was denied because of the logistical difficulty of sorting out which beverages could or could not be purchased with food stamps and because it would be hard to gauge how effective the step was in reducing obesity. As an alternative, Ms. Shahin suggested the federal government could work with the city on other efforts to encourage consumers to make “healthy choices.”

I don't have a problem with the people not getting their soda - it's food stamps - those who dole them out can put restrictions on their use. It's the arbitrariness of choosing soda that really needs to be argued. There's a good case for soda having special treatment just based on the pure volume of consumption - it points a big old fat finger at addiction.

If a ban went nationwide, the soda companies would waste no time in redefining their soda to not be called soda. But still those who pay for their soda will not want their soda called something else - gees remember the whole 'new coke' fiasco?

Here's the solution, with food stamps you can only buy government sanctioned soda - BamaSoda.

Link to article quoted above...

Edited, Jan 3rd 2013 3:02am by Elinda
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Lol!

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In October, city and state officials proposed a two-year experiment to see if the prohibition would reduce obesity among people who buy their groceries with food stamps. Dr. Farley said that about 57 percent of adults in the city and 40 percent of the children in its public schools were overweight or obese, and that obesity was especially rampant in low-income neighborhoods. Limiting consumption of sodas and other drinks with high sugar content, he argued, could help reverse that trend.


You know what else would help reverse that trend? Reduce the dollar amount of the food stamps (or eliminate them entirely). Nothing like hunger to make the choice between soda and food easier to make. Clearly, if people are buying soda with food stamps (to the point that you think it's causing an obesity problem), they don't really need those food stamps, right?

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#34 Jan 02 2013 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's my (totally non-serious) plan. Make a new rule that for any food to be eligible for food stamps, that industry/manufacturer will have to lobby to justify its eligibility. Obviously the soda industry will spend tons of money on ludicrous claims, and the whole wheat bread association will barely need to expend any effort.

Then, congress turns around and says "Haha, fooled you. The industries that sent the most lobbyists to DC are banned."
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They're not stamps any more. It's run like a debit card.
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#36 Jan 02 2013 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently you can.
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#37 Jan 03 2013 at 4:05 AM Rating: Good
The soda thing bothered me for a while, until I posted something on facebook about it, and one of my best friends pointed out that he uses soda as a substitution to nausea medication which are way more expensive, for his Crohn's. Now granted, most people who buy soda with their FS card are not doing it for that purpose, but it makes you think about alternate purposes for different foods that most people think are unhealthy. Candy for example, diabetics often use to keep their blood sugar from crashing.

I will say though, that I think it is completely bizarre and ****** up that people can use their FS card on an iced coffee at my work. And not just iced coffee, but any of our cold drinks. Hot ones don't work obviously. Considering how expensive starbucks drinks are, I think it's an abuse for people to use their card on it. I don't know if I'd say we should ban it though. I just think it's wrong for people to do it. And I have a couple customers who do it on a fairly regular basis.
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Sounds like a terrible and retarded idea.
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gbaji wrote:
...my family grew up pretty poor. We never were on food stamps...
Then you weren't "pretty poor".

Or, y'know, your definition of "poor" is different than everybody else's.
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...my family grew up pretty poor. We never were on food stamps...
Then you weren't "pretty poor".

Or, y'know, your definition of "poor" is different than everybody else's.

gbaji needs to come with his own glossary.
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Elinda wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
gbaji wrote:
...my family grew up pretty poor. We never were on food stamps...
Then you weren't "pretty poor".

Or, y'know, your definition of "poor" is different than everybody else's.

gbaji needs to come with his own glossary.


Shh... the conservative bubble relies on an ingrained perception that one struggled just as much as all those grubby paupers, but persevered through being better than them. If you pop it, his fragile ego might collapse!
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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...my family grew up pretty poor. We never were on food stamps...
Then you weren't "pretty poor".

Or, y'know, your definition of "poor" is different than everybody else's.
They had a refrigerator, so they clearly weren't poor.
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gbaji wrote:
...my family grew up pretty poor. We never were on food stamps...
Then you weren't "pretty poor".

Or, y'know, your definition of "poor" is different than everybody else's.
They had a refrigerator, so they clearly weren't poor.

Depends - was it a side by side, french doors, or traditional?

Or was it out in the back forty with the door removed?
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Yeah, it's like conservatives pretend they were the only ones who worked as children and teenagers whenever they give their "I worked hard and struggled too" spiel.

My family had a newspaper route to earn extra income. They hired the neighborhood kids as well as me and my sisters to roll them up and slip them into the little plastic baggies. All us kids were paid a quarter a stack. It was boring manual labor, but it was candy money for most of us - none of us were so poor that we didn't have enough food at home, except for the two kids who came down from the trailer park a mile away, in sort of dirty smelly clothes. THOSE kids were poor, and the couple of bucks they'd earn from folding papers went to buy bread and milk since their crackhead parents didn't care.
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#45 Jan 03 2013 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Food stamps are only for poor people that won't work. So, if I have to go on food stamps because my husband had a stroke and can't work for a while, clearly he's a lazy bum.

It's all so clear to me now.
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The soda thing bothered me for a while, until I posted something on facebook about it, and one of my best friends pointed out that he uses soda as a substitution to nausea medication which are way more expensive, for his Crohn's. Now granted, most people who buy soda with their FS card are not doing it for that purpose, but it makes you think about alternate purposes for different foods that most people think are unhealthy. Candy for example, diabetics often use to keep their blood sugar from crashing.

Holy ****, you're a gullible fucking mess. Listen, I'm only very peripherally aware of your existence, but I'd like to offer you some advice that you'll almost surely ignore. This thing you've let yourself become, it's not ok. This caricature of a manic pixie enlightened spirit or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be, it doesn't work. It's transparent posing. Completely transparent. As I said, you'll ignore my advice, I understand that, but someday you're (hopefully) going to grow out of this crushingly insecure, cutting yourself for attention, pretending to be bisexual, letting guys fuck you at parties because they jingled a set of keys near you long enough to distract you, phase of your life. When you do, you're going to look back at your younger years and wonder "was it worth it?". I'm here to tell you; the answer will be no. Do something more interesting with this time that society sort of allows you to make mistakes in. Hard drugs or something. At least then you might end up with some character at the end of it.
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The soda thing bothered me for a while, until I posted something on facebook about it, and one of my best friends pointed out that he uses soda as a substitution to nausea medication which are way more expensive, for his Crohn's. Now granted, most people who buy soda with their FS card are not doing it for that purpose, but it makes you think about alternate purposes for different foods that most people think are unhealthy. Candy for example, diabetics often use to keep their blood sugar from crashing.

Holy sh*t, you're a gullible fucking mess. Listen, I'm only very peripherally aware of your existence, but I'd like to offer you some advice that you'll almost surely ignore. This thing you've let yourself become, it's not ok. This caricature of a manic pixie enlightened spirit or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be, it doesn't work. It's transparent posing. Completely transparent. As I said, you'll ignore my advice, I understand that, but someday you're (hopefully) going to grow out of this crushingly insecure, cutting yourself for attention, pretending to be bisexual, letting guys fuck you at parties because they jingled a set of keys near you long enough to distract you, phase of your life. When you do, you're going to look back at your younger years and wonder "was it worth it?". I'm here to tell you; the answer will be no. Do something more interesting with this time that society sort of allows you to make mistakes in. Hard drugs or something. At least then you might end up with some character at the end of it.


I might actually agree with your assessment of PigtailsOfDoom, but seriously, for someone who claims to be super intelligent, super well off, I think it's funny that you feel the need to come on to an internet forum and berate other posters the way you do. Overcompensation is my bet, but I'm sure there are a myriad of possible explanations. Either way, you're just as much of a ******** as the people you pretend to look down upon.
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I might actually agree with your assessment of PigtailsOfDoom, but seriously, for someone who claims to be super intelligent, super well off, I think it's funny that you feel the need to come on to an internet forum and berate other posters the way you do. Overcompensation is my bet, but I'm sure there are a myriad of possible explanations. Either way, you're just as much of a @#%^tard as the people you pretend to look down upon.


You're new around here, aren't you.

Thanks for the chuckle Smash.
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I might actually agree with your assessment of PigtailsOfDoom, but seriously, for someone who claims to be super intelligent, super well off, I think it's funny that you feel the need to come on to an internet forum and berate other posters the way you do. Overcompensation is my bet, but I'm sure there are a myriad of possible explanations. Either way, you're just as much of a @#%^tard as the people you pretend to look down upon.
Would be better if he were to just rate down a few of her posts to let her know that someone on this board doesn't like something about her or what she says, disagrees with her opinion or simply dislikes her posting style?








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Overcompensation is my bet

Yes, I imagine it would be. The idea that someone exists who is superior to you in effectively every measurable way is likely something beyond your capacity to imagine. The idea that I might eschew subtlety in favor of bluntness by design, not as some sort of subconscious mechanism beyond my control, must be equally unthinkable.

It's important to know one's limits I find. You seem to have missed that developmental stage of life. Just as while it's a pleasant thought if we work hard enough at something we can do whatever we want in life, it really isn't the case. You understand that, right?

You weren't going to be a starting NBA player no matter how hard you worked at basketball as a child.
You trying to understand my motivation for doing absolutely anything is akin to this. No matter how much work you put into it, there's really no way you'll ever be better than chance at guessing.

If I was concerned with being well liked, I could most more tactfully, have no fear. If I wanted to be loved I could manipulate things to that scenario also. Trivially. The reality is that I'm not concerned with being well liked. Legitimately. Not in a defensive "I'm worthless, what's the point" sort of way. I don't require the approval or support of random strangers who I share a discussion forum with. You apparently do, and that's fine. I hope that offers you some value. If it was my daughter I wouldn't be so blunt. Also, if it was daughter I would give a fuc[/i][/i]k about the outcome. As it is, I don't, I do find posts made by cartoon character that contribute nothing, not even humor annoying and pointless. Hence the reply.

Does that clear it up for you, ace? If not, let me know, and I'll see if I can film some sort of snack cake puppet show that might hold your interest long enough to get the point across.



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That's nice Smash. I'm happy with who I am, and that's all that matters. As one of my friends likes to say, what other people think of you is none of your business. So you can shove it, because frankly I don't care.
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