The Rule of ReciprocationFollow

Yup. The assumption that a tip will be required is one of the factors considered when making the decision to walk into the door of a restaurant in the first place. I think it's pretty obvious that if all other prices were the same, more people would walk into a restaurant if there was no tip expected than will if one is expected. Which is why the cost of the tip counts against the employer's business just as much as the cost printed on the menu does. To suggest that the tips don't really count as part of the total compensation for the wait staff because the customer is paying it directly to the waiter instead of paying a higher price on the bill itself is ridiculous. Money is money. Every dollar of tip cost is a dollar less the restaurant can charge for the meal if they expect to get the same number of people to pay for it.


I honestly didn't think I'd have to say this more than once. Seemed like this should be something everyone understands right off the bat. But apparently, that's not the case here.

It took 2.5 hours for my delivery chinese food to come... and more than 1 hour of that was after I first called wondering what was up and they said "the delivery man is on his way, he left 20 minutes ago and you're next."

Then when he arrived, his debit machine wasn't working. He then claimed it was because I didn't have any money, even though the machine clearly said "communication error"

I didn't give him a tip. Partially because we had to scrounge around for cash to pay because of the debit machine not working.

And even though he was a dipsh#t I still felt bad about it.

Edited, Dec 13th 2012 4:52pm by Olorinus

You should increase the font size then.

/ducks!

Yes, you obviously missed the point. My argument is that because everyone plans on tipping, it isn't a deciding factor of rather or not we will order what we want. We order what we want based on the price of the meal, not based on us having to tip a waiter. Tipping a waiter is so mundane that we just do it like we do tax with no second thought about it. Once again, if paying for tax or a tip is an issue for you, then you are spending too much money and should eat at home. You obviously have not being paying attention. But that's ok, I'm used to the decontextualization of "Anything Alma says is wrong without the necessity of actually reading it". This just results in more entertainment when people dance around their words. Keep it up!

Edited, Dec 14th 2012 5:10am by Almalieque

I'll get to the rest of your posts later. I'm just flabbergasted at this complete nonsense. This is 2012, not 1912. The vast majority of people pay with credit cards, debit cards and checking cards, not cash. So, if something as banal as tipping acts as a catalyst for your meal, THEN YOU ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY and you probably shouldn't be there! That's how budgeting works. Do you fret the tax that you pay on a dollar menu at a fast food restaurant? Not unless you're paying with nickels and dimes. Why?, you swipe your card or hand them a $5 bill. You don't know the exact tax, but you know it's less than $2 and that $5 will cover it.

Likewise with a restaurant, it's the same concept. You don't know the exact tax or tip because it doesn't matter. You have expectations of what to spend and you know the tax and tip are trivial adjuncts because they wont push you over your limit. If they do, then you simply have poor money management. Why would you max your card or break your budget on something like a dine-in restaurant as opposed to an investment, an emergency or something that lasts more than 2 hours of joy?



Given that a tip isn't mandatory or set at a certain price, it is quite the opposite. I would much rather tip an increase at my own choosing than let the employer decide. You are arguing the opposite, which completely contradicts two pages of everyone wanting more for less.

If a waiter forgets to bring my orders, get my orders wrong, gets an attitude or gives me the cold shoulder, I would not lament over him or her receiving a small tip.



Finally, something accurate.



Again with the fallacy. People order the food first, not tip the waiter. If your food sucks, then people wont order it, then your waiter wont receive tips, which means you will have to make up the difference. The key isn't tips. The key is selling more products. However, the food could be overpriced and sucky and I would still tip the waiter graciously if he or she deserves it.

Tipping is completely irrelevant to anyone who knows how to manage their money, because if it were an issue, they wouldn't be there in the first place.



My words exactly. I didn't know you were either poor and/or unable to manage your money. PM me and I can teach you how you can go out to a restaurant and eat the food of your choosing without worrying about being able to pay for a tip or tax.

OK here's a question. Carside to go, a la Applebees. Tip or not?

I typically add a couple dollars for the trip out to the car, but I'm not sure if that's warranted, or if it's just me tipping too much again.

The people at Wendy's do the same thing. I tip the waiting staff for being waiting staff. Checking on drinks and whatever unlimited item (bread, soup, salad, etc) that may require filling up, accurate orders and checking to make sure that I'm generally enjoying myself and such.

Exactly. The people at Wendy's are not getting paid a server wage and not reliant on tips.

The server at Applebees probably is.

Possibly. If they have an area specifically designed for take-out, it may be manned by someone such as a host(ess) who likely doesn't qualify for the reduced server wage.

Edit: or nvm, you commented on it in the nest post...


Edited, Dec 14th 2012 2:05pm by Uglysasquatch

Meh, you guys get bogged down in the details entirely too much. I didn't ask about "what if"s. If you go to a sit down restaurant like Applebees that offers carside delivery, do you tip the person who brings the food to your car, yes or no?

But if you did use the carside service, would you tip or not? For a bunch of reasonably intelligent people, simple questions seem to elude you folks sooooo much. I don't get it.

I've never experienced this, but if I did, I would probably tip them but only like 10% - purely out of uncertainty. I'd rather tip when not necessary than not tip when necessary.

Do they deliver your food on roller skates?