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#252 Dec 14 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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What's the point of Carside to Go anyway? Are you meant to park there and then order, and hang out in your car while they make it? I mean, I've ordered take out from Applebee's before, but I phone it in, and then go pick it up. I just can't really see a situation where I'd make them bring it out to me.

Call it in ahead of time, then pull up to the parking space and they brig it out. I do it infrequently, usually on the way home from work when my wife wants a Quesadilla burger and we don't feel like taking the kids out for the evening.

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As an ex-server/bartender, I don't feel the need to tip the server that brings my food out to the car. A., the server is most likely still waiting tables and this is considered part of her section or duties, just like running food to tables that aren't hers are; or 2., this is the server's designated job for her shift and she's probably making at least minimum wage for the shift.

This is what I assumed, or at least hoped was the case.
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#253 Dec 14 2012 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
Alma has pretty much already said all there is to be said on the whole minimum wage thing. i'm not going to argue it further because I have nothing to add and I'm sick and don't have the energy for it. And seriously, you write too much. It's ridiculous. I know it's been said before, but I need to say it again.

Oh and Alma, when someone decides to employ you, it's being "hired" not being "highered." Highered is not a word. I'm sure it's annoying have your spelling corrected, but that's been bugging me tonight while I've been reading the thread, and I saw you use highered several times.

I'll guarantee you servers that work at a Chili's in Oklahoma make less than servers that work at a Chili's in Oregon. That's another part of the issue that bugs me. Yeah, cost of living up here is more, but still. In Oklahoma they make the less than minimum wage wage, and here in Oregon they make minimum wage and their tips. There's probably some people out there who would tip the Oklahoma server more because they know they don't actually make minimum wage, but most people probably don't think about it too much. They just tip because it's customary.
#254 Dec 14 2012 at 10:13 PM Rating: Default
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Oh and Alma, when someone decides to employ you, it's being "hired" not being "highered." Highered is not a word. I'm sure it's annoying have your spelling corrected, but that's been bugging me tonight while I've been reading the thread, and I saw you use highered several times.


Thank you.. It's not annoying in the least bit, but encouraged. As long as you aren't being pedantic with the fallacy that a misspelling = illogical. To be honest, I'm personally embarrassed when I make those errors, but pointing them out helps me learn. However, given that everyone here make the same mistakes, it isn't a big deal.
#255 Dec 14 2012 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
If you want to shorten my screen name, I'd much prefer PoD to Pig. I'm sure you aren't intentionally trying to call me a pig, but it's hard to separate that out. Also, you're welcome.
#256 Dec 14 2012 at 11:03 PM Rating: Good
I am so confused about what is being argued between Alma and Gbaji. But this is what I THINK is being said:

Alma: Restaurants should pay their waitstaff minimum wage at least, and then tips become optional and not expected.

gbaji: If restaurants had to pay their waitstaff minimum wage, they would have to raise the prices on their meals and would get less customers and make less money.

If that's right.. then I have no idea where the "you should think about tip and tax when you budget" argument came from.

Nads is right. This is ridiculous to argue about. But that makes me feel more stupid that I can't follow it. I blame it on the amount of words the two of you type. You both like analogies FAR too much...
#257 Dec 15 2012 at 2:26 AM Rating: Good
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This might not be the most stupid discussion you guys have ever had, but godDAMN it's close.


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#258 Dec 15 2012 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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You both like analogies FAR too much...


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Edited, Dec 15th 2012 12:27am by Olorinus
#259 Dec 15 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still a bit astounded by the concept that someone would order take out to avoid paying a server a tip. When I order take out, I do it so I don't have to sit down in a restaurant and wait for my food. I call it in, wait the time the person on the phone said it would take, then go and pick up my food. Mostly, I order take out because I'm feeling lazy. I don't do it to save money, and I think anybody who does is a jack ***.
Smiley: lol So do you tip 15% when you get take out?

I mean, it's certainly more respectful to the waitstaff than sitting down to eat, ordering that same meal, and then not tipping. Which you can do, because you're not required to tip.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 8:55am by Spoonless
#260 Dec 15 2012 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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I am so confused about what is being argued between Alma and Gbaji. But this is what I THINK is being said:

Alma: Restaurants should pay their waitstaff minimum wage at least, and then tips become optional and not expected.

gbaji: If restaurants had to pay their waitstaff minimum wage, they would have to raise the prices on their meals and would get less customers and make less money.

If that's right.. then I have no idea where the "you should think about tip and tax when you budget" argument came from.

Nads is right. This is ridiculous to argue about. But that makes me feel more stupid that I can't follow it. I blame it on the amount of words the two of you type. You both like analogies FAR too much...


I hate to do this to you again, but you're very close, just a tid bit off. Good observation though.

His original response wasn't that employers would get less customers, but that people would subtract the difference of the price raise from the waiter's tip. So, if the meal went up $1.00, then the customer would pay the waiter $1 less.

I countered to say that's ridiculous because our determination on rather or not a meal is a good deal is solely based on the price of the meal. The amount of money that we decide to tip our waiters is based on their performance. Even though a tip may start off based off of what we spend on food, what we spend on food isn't based on a future tip.

In other words, we buy what we want to eat if we deem it a good price, people don't let tips and tax be a deterrent of getting that. If paying for tax and/or a tip is a big enough deal to you to where you have to change your order, then you are spending too much money and should probably go some where cheaper or stay at home.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 4:18pm by Almalieque
#261 Dec 15 2012 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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If paying for tax and/or a tip is a big enough deal to you to where you have to change your order, then you are spending too much money and should probably go some where cheaper or stay at home.
This is ridiculous. Say I have a $20 meal budget. I really want that $18 steak, but with tax and tip, it brings me over my budget. Therefore, I should go someplace else or stay home instead of ordering the $14 pasta dish? Or I'm supposed to go over budget because it's a minimal amount? Just because that extra $2.50 isn't a significant amount doesn't mean that I should bring myself over budget. That's why you set a budget. If my budget were $25, I'd get the steak. It's not. It's $20, so I get a less expensive meal.

Over budget is over budget. Maybe I only have $100 in cash on me, and don't want to put any money on a credit card. It doesn't mean I can't afford to go over; it means I don't want to. If your $100 budget is for the meal price alone and doesn't include the tax and tip, you don't have a $100 budget. You have a $122 budget, or however much the total comes to. Just because you say it's $100 doesn't make it so, when you are fully expecting to spend more than that to include the other costs of a meal.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 12:05pm by Spoonless
#262 Dec 15 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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#263 Dec 15 2012 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Stop it.
Okay.

You know, I was doing quite well for some time.
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#265 Dec 15 2012 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I'm still a bit astounded by the concept that someone would order take out to avoid paying a server a tip. When I order take out, I do it so I don't have to sit down in a restaurant and wait for my food. I call it in, wait the time the person on the phone said it would take, then go and pick up my food. Mostly, I order take out because I'm feeling lazy. I don't do it to save money, and I think anybody who does is a jack ***.
Smiley: lol So do you tip 15% when you get take out?

I mean, it's certainly more respectful to the waitstaff than sitting down to eat, ordering that same meal, and then not tipping. Which you can do, because you're not required to tip.


No, because they're not putting in the same effort. I'll still tip a little bit most of the time, because it does take effort to package up the food and all. That's irrelevant though, because as I said, it's not the reason I order take out. I order take out because I'm feeling lazy, not because I'm feeling cheap.
#266 Dec 15 2012 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
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This is ridiculous. Say I have a $20 meal budget. I really want that $18 steak, but with tax and tip, it brings me over my budget. Therefore, I should go someplace else or stay home instead of ordering the $14 pasta dish? Or I'm supposed to go over budget because it's a minimal amount? Just because that extra $2.50 isn't a significant amount doesn't mean that I should bring myself over budget. That's why you set a budget. If my budget were $25, I'd get the steak. It's not. It's $20, so I get a less expensive meal.


Let me clarify my usage of "want". I am using that word in the sense that you actually intend on buying it, not like "I want a mansion with an indoor pool".

If what you want cost $18 and you think that is a fair and legitimate price, but your budget is $20 and the taxes/tip is a big enough deal for you, then yes, you probably shouldn't be paying for the $14 meal either. Don't go into restaurants thinking that you will find a good porter house or T-Bone steak for $14. If you really want that steak, you pay the $2.50 and take that money out of somewhere else in your budget if you really want to maintain it.

Now if you think that price is too high for that steak, then that is a different story. The other scenario is if you are in a financial bind, which in that sense you shouldn't be dinning in at restaurants.

The only times where taxes/tips should ever matter are when there is a difference in the tax rates (i.e. no tax vs 8% tax) and/or when a preset tip is already included. Else you already know the average price of the meals of the restaurant. You already know the the tax rate and the tip is optional. So why are you intentionally putting yourself in that situation?

Would you go to Chilli's, Applebees, Redlobster, etc. with a $6 budget?
Would you go to Burger King, McDonald's, Wendy's, etc. with a $6 budget?
#267 Dec 15 2012 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
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I'm still a bit astounded by the concept that someone would order take out to avoid paying a server a tip. When I order take out, I do it so I don't have to sit down in a restaurant and wait for my food. I call it in, wait the time the person on the phone said it would take, then go and pick up my food. Mostly, I order take out because I'm feeling lazy. I don't do it to save money, and I think anybody who does is a jack ***.
Smiley: lol So do you tip 15% when you get take out?

I mean, it's certainly more respectful to the waitstaff than sitting down to eat, ordering that same meal, and then not tipping. Which you can do, because you're not required to tip.


No, because they're not putting in the same effort. I'll still tip a little bit most of the time, because it does take effort to package up the food and all. That's irrelevant though, because as I said, it's not the reason I order take out. I order take out because I'm feeling lazy, not because I'm feeling cheap.
I'm just wondering why I'm a jackass for getting takeout to save some money on the overall cost of the meal while you're not since you get it because your lazy, when in the end we spend the same amount of money. It's not irrelevant, because you're still receiving the lower overall cost. If I'm a jackass because I want to save money, so I get takeout, it should stand to reason that to not be a jackass, I'd have to tip in full so that I'm not saving money, right? So unless you're tipping in full, too, you are a jackass for taking advantage of the lower cost as well.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 5:35pm by Spoonless
#268 Dec 15 2012 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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I really wish the ignore function made posts completely disappear. Sometimes I just can't help myself and expand them.
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Spoonless wrote:
I really wish the ignore function made posts completely disappear. Sometimes I just can't help myself and expand them.


If that's your way of saying that you're wrong, I'll take it.
#270 Dec 15 2012 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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If that's your way of saying that you're wrong, I'll take it.


I don't really pay attention to your arguments because I can't be bothered to read the drivel that spews from your wretched fingers, but comments like these really reveal how congitively challenged you are. It makes me pity you and the people around you who have to put up with your childish ignorance day in and day out. You're the kind of person who makes life harder for others simply by existing. Congratulations on being a waste of skin and bones. I'm sure your family is proud.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 9:27pm by BrownDuck
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That's in need of an edit...
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#272 Dec 15 2012 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol
#273 Dec 15 2012 at 7:57 PM Rating: Default
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Dang Spoon, what did you do to him?

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#274 Dec 15 2012 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
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Ugly wrote:
That's in need of an edit...


He was right.

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Alma wrote:
If that's your way of saying that you're wrong, I'll take it.

I don't really pay attention to your arguments because I can't be bothered to read the drivel that spews from your wretched fingers, but comments like these really reveal how congitively challenged you are. It makes me pity you and the people around you who have to put up with your childish ignorance day in and day out. You're the kind of person who makes life harder for others simply by existing. Congratulations on being a waste of skin and bones. I'm sure your family is proud.

Edited, Dec 15th 2012 9:27pm by BrownDuck


Smiley: lol

To avow your ignorance and opposition, yet still vehemently stay engaged in these conversations is quite emblematic of this forum. If my posts, more specifically the aforementioned quote, can cause you to be in such a corybantic state of mind that you continue to waste time creating fulsome posts, then simply ignore me.

That's the problem with you posters on this forum who "ignore" me, you all don't. I don't have to acclaim my abhorrence towards a person and waste time "panning" and carping nonsensical, biased, prejudiced, illogical and overall specious arguments. As admitted several times, I am disputatious, but how many times do you see me responding to the "varusus" of this site? Exactly. When posters get into "failing troll mode", I simply ignore them, for real, for real. I don't make acclamations of every person I decide to ignore and why. I simply ignore them. I only made my statement of not responding to people using Admin accounts because I didn't want to come off as douchebag by not responding to an admin for something another admin done in a completely different thread in the past.

So, your lamentation is not necessary. Your self-image is obviously skewed and your comments on this forum along with your existence in life are supererogatory. You are nothing but a dramatic callow attention *****. My success in life is probably beyond what you can attain in the next 10 years and I'm just getting started. Trust me on this; you don't want to question my categorical value and worth to society. That's not a contest that you either want to partake in or even possible to win at. Your best bet at this point is to either remain tacit or live with the comeuppance that you created.


Edited, Dec 16th 2012 7:18am by Almalieque
#276 Dec 15 2012 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Trust me on this, you don't want to question my categorical value and worth to society.


You're absolutely right, as there is nothing there to question..
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