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#102 Nov 23 2012 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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A family of five where the mother works and earns 50k and the father works and earns 50k. Are now going to have to pay an extra 6-9k annually to the leeches.

If you cant see what's wrong with this considering the cost of living you probably aren't even capable of taking care of yourself in the first place.


I grew up in a household where the total income between both my parents combined was about 24k. We had a car, it wasn't the best car, but it got from point A to point B, easily managed the occasional family vacation(once every two years, pretty much), and very rarely required any major repair as my mother took care of it very well. We always had food on the table(good food, home-cooked healthy food), we always had a roof over our heads(and quite the fine house if I do say so myself, spacious living room, large bedrooms, huge basement, good kitchen, a big enough back yard with a good park down the street and a good school around the corner), we always had clothing. My dad is a boat/motorcycle/atv/etc. parts salesman, my mom was first the head tech at a local theater, then did in-home daycare in order to both earn an income, and to be home every day when my brother and I were done school, these days she drives a cab(which isn't the lowlife-type job people tend to assume it is, and pays quite well). There was a short period where we were on welfare(when I was about 7, so, '94ish), but as soon as we didn't need to be, we were off it.

The family that makes 100k gross, and pays, lets say, as much as 50% in taxes(which is terribly unrealistic, and would be worthy of some major investigation into what the @#%^ is happening in that country), is still amazingly well off. The only way you could possibly consider yourself poor even at 50k/year is if you insist on having a lot of stuff you don't need. Does one need a luxury car(or anything that costs from 30k and up) to live well when a car that offers the same level of utility and safety can cost as little as 5k(used) or 10k(new)? Does one need to own a large amount of property to live well? Does one need to be able to keep up with all the current trends to live well? Does one need to own more things than anyone else to live well? Does one need to be better off than someone else to live well? No. The necessities of life do not cost as much as you think, unless you consider the things you need to be the supposed "best" of everything, rather than the stuff that's good enough(or more than good enough). That's the problem with your way of thinking, you think that quality of life is based on how much you can buy, when really its about how you go about living your life. If you can't be happy with a just a bit more than what's necessary, how could you ever be happy with more?

When you make 100k, a deduction of 6-9k, is nothing. 91k/year, sounds like a pretty **** fair deal to me. In the future, lets not try to act like those with thaat kind of money are living terribly at 91k, if they're unhappy with life, then they've made some serious mistakes throughout it.

Oh, by the way I live quite well at a current 17k/year, pretty much debt-free, with more than what I need, thanks for your "concern", but I'm doing just fine.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2012 12:18pm by Driftwood
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#103 Nov 23 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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My father made about 40K/year as a civil service veteran. That was plenty enough to get us a nice 4BDR house with an acre yard, and allow us all the little niceties that make life comfortable.

Also, it's clear that Crazy doesn't understand our tax system. Actually, most conservatives don't get it. You're only taxed at the higher rate on income made within that bracket.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2012 11:00pm by catwho
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#104 Nov 23 2012 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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My dad made about $80k/year as a pharmacist, and it was enough to allow my mom to stay at home and raise my brother and I until I (the youngest) started Kindergarten.
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#105 Nov 23 2012 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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We're a family of four making around the $100k mark. We work full time jobs. I have health insurance, a car, a house, pay property taxes, income taxes, all that stuff.
Got a toddler in day care and a middle school aged kid. We're about as "middle class" as middle class gets.

Someone let me know when I'm supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping me down.
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#106 Nov 23 2012 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Someone let me know when I'm supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping me down.
You're supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping you down in 20 seconds.
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#107 Nov 23 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Money only buys happiness up to $75k. So I guess the family of five needs to start using rubbers. Smiley: oyvey
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#109 Nov 25 2012 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.


Pretty sure it was Bush committing us to an 8 year war that did it.
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.

So do I have to wait for the depression to rage or am I supposed to rage now?
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#113 Nov 25 2012 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.


Pretty sure it was Bush committing us to an 8 year war that did it.


I dare you to compare social spending to the cost of the war over the last 8yrs. No you democrats increasing the number of people dependent on government is what is destroying this country.


Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.

Tough choices...
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Hope you can do with 7k less annually if obama allows w's tax cuts to expire and your health insurance rates increase due to obamacare.

Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile

Edited, Nov 25th 2012 8:11pm by Jophiel
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#115 Nov 25 2012 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Repealing Obamacare would increase the deficit by over a $100 billion over 10 years, so probably shouldn't be a part of any "fiscal cliff" negotiations as, ya know, it wouldn't help lower the deficit at all.
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#116 Nov 26 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.
Those wars paid off my mortgage.
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TirithRR wrote:
Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.
Those wars paid off my mortgage.


Paid off my credit cards!
#119 Nov 27 2012 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.
Lucky for you you have your daddy to do all the work for you. Smiley: smile
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
Hope you can do with 7k less annually if obama allows w's tax cuts to expire and your health insurance rates increase due to obamacare.

Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile

Edited, Nov 25th 2012 8:11pm by Jophiel

It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

Omg, people are aspiring all over the place!! -> US Consumer Confidence Highest in 4.5 Years

Even YOU can aspire Varus.
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#121 Nov 27 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel
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#122 Nov 27 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel
Under Romney, you could've aspired to be able to pay someone to fix your quote tags for you. You could have been a job creator; you could have built it yourself.
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Under Romney, you could've aspired to be able to pay someone to fix your quote tags for you. You could have been a job creator


Precisely! It's why God put people in places like Indonesia. Smiley: schooled
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#125 Nov 29 2012 at 5:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Really? Paying taxes, working, paying a mortgage, workin' the ole economy makes me the Party of Santa Claus?

Huh. Ok. Always funny to hear you mindless drones repeat whatever Limbaugh tells you to say while demonstrating your inability to actually think about it first.
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#126 Nov 29 2012 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel

Yeah I get that your pint sized pea brain couldn't come up with something more creative than "nuh uh you're stupid."

But then again you are representative of the party of santa claus. I guess you'll just have to wait foe the government to email you a witty retort.

The party of Santa Claus? So let me get this straight: increasing your own gain and then happily giving back less than that increase is a bad thing, how?
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