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#1 Sep 04 2012 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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My boss started asking me questions about if my husband and I were planning to stay in Hawaii and stuff on Friday. She finally said, basically I'm wondering if you're going to stay here. I don't want to lie to her, so I said I wasn't sure, and she asked me to explain. I told her that living out here, and having my grandma sick, I was thinking that I may need a job with more flexability.

She brought it back up today, and again, unwilling to lie about it, I told her that I was considering a career that would allow me to work from home so if I needed to go off island, I can take my work with me. I told her I was looking at a Medical Transcription course, and it would take about six months to complete and yadda yadda. At the end of the conversation, she said "So basically you're giving your six month notice." I said yes, I guess that is sort of what we're talkng about.

Did I just majorly shoot myself in the foot...? I'm afraid I didn't handle it very well. It's true that I probably would've left in about six months, but what I'd I can't finish the course in time or I don't find a job right away? Is this "notice" going to mean she can let me go and I can't get unemployment if I really need it?

I feel like I majorly screwed up here today, but I just want to be honest about what's going on.
#2 Sep 04 2012 at 8:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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My policy is that it's not official unless it's on paper, and your HR department will probably feel the same way. Keep doing as you are doing, and if they try to force you out in six months with the only reason being a casual conversation with your boss, get a lawyer.
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#3 Sep 04 2012 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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There isn't an HR department. It's me, my boss, and a Board of Directors.
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That's a toughie. It sounds like your boss kind of cornered you and forced you into a decision. While I can't say I approve of her technique, you may want to give it some serious consideration as to how you feel about your job. This could be a good thing in that it forces you into action to follow through with preparing to leave. I don't really see how you can backtrack from this. Even if you sat down with her and explained that she had kind of cornered you into saying something that you hadn't been able to completely analyze and make a fair decision on, she's always going to think you have one foot out the door.

Hindsight and all, you should have just asked her why she was asking and put her on the defensive. If it came back to you tell her you really didn't have any plans to leave at the moment. I am curious as to what prompted her cornering you like that though, had you brought it up before this?
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Employers make it part of SOP to keep secrets from employees, there's no reason you have share such information with them.



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There isn't an HR department. It's me, my boss, and a Board of Directors.


Still, without official documentation and without any infractions on your record at your company, it's going to be pretty hard to justify letting you go over a conversation you had with your boss over six months previous during a difficult time in your life. They don't know if things are going to change for the better or not.


Edit: Forgot to quote Belkira

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That's a toughie. It sounds like your boss kind of cornered you and forced you into a decision. While I can't say I approve of her technique, you may want to give it some serious consideration as to how you feel about your job. This could be a good thing in that it forces you into action to follow through with preparing to leave. I don't really see how you can backtrack from this. Even if you sat down with her and explained that she had kind of cornered you into saying something that you hadn't been able to completely analyze and make a fair decision on, she's always going to think you have one foot out the door.

Hindsight and all, you should have just asked her why she was asking and put her on the defensive. If it came back to you tell her you really didn't have any plans to leave at the moment. I am curious as to what prompted her cornering you like that though, had you brought it up before this?


When my husband took his job here, they asked him to commit verbally to two years. I don't know how binding that is, but she was asking if we were planning to go back to the mainland when those two years are up. That's how the conversation started.

The chick who worked here before me was also "asked to resign" because the job was going full time and she didn't want to work full time. Long story short, when this girl agreed but then said wait, I can't afford to quit, my boss fought against the unemployment claim and won. I sort of feel like she worded the question in such a way as to be able to do the same to me if I am not prepared to leave in six months.

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Huh, sounds like she's had practice in these matters.

My advice, do what you said. Get your training for a work at home job, and if that's not looking good after 3 months just start applying elsewhere. Where's your hubby stand on this, is he wanting to head back Stateside?
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If you really want to cover your ***, go to her tomorrow (or write an email, probably better documentation) and clarify yourself. Let her know that you're afraid that you were misunderstood, that you really appreciate the job and you want to keep it for as long as possible. You are just going to school to open up opportunities for yourself in the future, because it's what's best for your family. This isn't a valid reason to fire you, and if unemployment was ever contested on the basis of this conversation you'd have something to back up your side of the story.
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"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.
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#11 Sep 04 2012 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.


You're right. But I was completely unprepared for the conversation, and I just answered without thinking.

Kakar, we don't have plans to move back to the mainland any time soon. I'm pretty sure that I can finish my coursework and find a job in six months. I just hate having this axe over my head.
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Kakar, we don't have plans to move back to the mainland any time soon. I'm pretty sure that I can finish my coursework and find a job in six months. I just hate having this axe over my head.


You can always tell them that if you are let go you'll awaken the local volcano god in order to bring it's wrath down on their heads. I'm pretty sure they realize that they are WAY behind on their sacrifice quota.
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"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.



That, or "if you're asking for a longer commitment I'll need to see some incentive, bitCh."

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"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.


That, or "if you're asking for a longer commitment I'll need to see some incentive, bitCh."


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Lie. Tell her "I'm making a career out of this and I hope to last long enough to end up with your job".
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Start dropping hints around the office that you have a lawyer cousin that specializes in wrongful dismissals.
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wait wait wait... EMPLOYERS pay unemployment benefits to ex employees who are not working for them in the US? How does that work? How is that fair on anybody?
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There is unemployment "insurance", part of which comes out with the employee's payroll taxes. It's like any other insurance system, the employer's rates go up the more claims there are, etc.
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At this point, you should stop thinking about what you should have done and think about what you will do.

Since there is no paper trail, I would just go to her and say "Your question the other day made me realize that I didn't have a solid plan. So, I thought through my life plan and I've decided that I will continue working here as long as I can. If anything changes where it might result in me having to quit, I will give you sufficient notice. Thank you for your concern and talk, you really helped me get my life plan in order."

At that point, you have two conversations relatively at the same time, so it would absurd for her to fire you 6 months later for saying something that you immediately countered the next day without any paper trail and/or sworn statement.
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Belkira wrote:
The chick who worked here before me was also "asked to resign" because the job was going full time and she didn't want to work full time. Long story short, when this girl agreed but then said wait, I can't afford to quit, my boss fought against the unemployment claim and won. I sort of feel like she worded the question in such a way as to be able to do the same to me if I am not prepared to leave in six months.


Sorry, but I think you hit the nail on the head here.

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At that point, you have two conversations relatively at the same time, so it would absurd for her to fire you 6 months later for saying something that you immediately countered the next day without any paper trail and/or sworn statement.


I doubt that'd stop her; part of me suspects the boss lady wouldn't have asked the question if she wasn't already looking for excuses to fire (you know legitimate ones or not).
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I doubt that'd stop her; part of me suspects the boss lady wouldn't have asked the question if she wasn't already looking for excuses to fire (you know legitimate ones or not).


Of course; however, I would fight back as well and that's the starting point. If she wants you gone and she as "sneaky" as she is being described, she will find a reason to fire. I just wouldn't give her any reasons. Make her work for it.
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"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.


That, or "if you're asking for a longer commitment I'll need to see some incentive, bitCh."


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Scholars can't rate?

EDIT: Not sure if scholar. Your name appears in the same dark blue as a scholar (as opposed to....let's see...Alma), but your custom title appears where it'd normally say "scholar".

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I don't know how it works in The US of Screweveryone over, but up here, we're required to get it in writing that the employee is giving notice.
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I don't know how it works in The US of Screweveryone over, but up here, we're required to get it in writing that the employee is giving notice.


Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.
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I don't know how it works in The US of Screweveryone over, but up here, we're required to get it in writing that the employee is giving notice.


Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.
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I don't know how it works in The US of Screweveryone over, but up here, we're required to get it in writing that the employee is giving notice.


Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.

They can't however, discriminate. So, they can fire you for just not liking you, but you have to ask yourself, "why don't they like me?". If it's because your female, non-white, ***, x-military, or handicapped then they can't fire you. Also you can't be fired for asserting your rights as an employee like if you whistle-blowed or filed a workers comp claim.

If you have a contract with your employer, that makes firing at will harder, and even a verbal agreement to employment is a contract as such.



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Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.


That's pretty much the case. With the exceptions of the discirmination factors outlined in federal and state law, employers can terminate employment and you can quit your job at anytime. Nixy has effectively shown that, I believe, in recent events.

I would use the next 6 months (if she gives you that much time) to finish up the transcription course and get started on looking for something else. She may wait, she may not. You're going to want to be prepared if she decides to cut bait and fish for for her next unwitting victim/employee.
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Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.


That's pretty much the case. With the exceptions of the discirmination factors outlined in federal and state law, employers can terminate employment and you can quit your job at anytime. Nixy has effectively shown that, I believe, in recent events.


But I think we're talking about two different things here. Being in an at will state means that in either case, you still get unemployment benefits. All it means is that your employer can't deny you those benefits if you quit, and you can't sue your employer if you are fired. I believe the only exception is if you are "fired with cause". To do that the employer has to document that you have violated some requirements for employment (late X number of times, violations of codes of ethics, stealing, cheating, etc). And trust me, it has to be documented very well.


It's a lot harder than some people seem to think to be terminated and *not* be eligible for unemployment benefits.
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'fraid not. One ambiguously worded write-up is all it takes.
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'fraid not. One ambiguously worded write-up is all it takes.


Write up for what? If you have a policy that says employee may not be late more than X times, you can't just one day say "You've been late X times, so you're fired!". You have to document (on actual paper) each time that employee was late, and show that you communicated this to that employee (often requiring that they sign something stating that they were informed that they were officially written up for it). Failing to have this level of documentation will get the employer laughed out of the unemployment hearing.

At least, that's how it is here in California. I suppose other states may differ.

EDIT: Let me be clear. I'm talking about what is required for the employer to not have to pay his share of the unemployment costs. Obviously, he can just say "you're fired" for any reason at all and fire the employee (in an at will state at least). That's not the issue.

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Ok. She says that she doesn't want me to leave, which I believe whether I should or not. But today she asked if she could have something in writing saying that I'll be here for six months. Her reasoning being that she doesn't want me to jump ship sooner than that. Supposedly. She said, "Or you can just say that you want to stay here and you're happy."

I told her I would have to think about it but I defintely won't leave her high and dry. I mean, two weeks is standard notice. She said the other day that a MONTH notice wasn't enough in her opinion. Oh, and telling her I will stay and hopefully do her job at some point is not an option, because she has already said in the past that she would love for me to take over for her at some point.

It's not that I'm afraid she wants to fire me. It's more I'm worried that if six months comes up and I do t have a new job lined up, she'll let me go and say that I resigned.

I hate my big mouth. I should've just lied. But I honestly don't want her or the company to be left unprepared when I leave.
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Sounds like you work somewhere pretty specialized, and that two weeks isn't really enough to train someone new to take over once you're gone. A month is pushing it on her end, in my opinion. Tell her the best you can do is give two months notice because there is simply no way you can tell what is going to happen half a year in the future, and that whole speel about how you'd be more than happy to stay indefinitely.
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Sounds like you work somewhere pretty specialized, and that two weeks isn't really enough to train someone new to take over once you're gone. A month is pushing it on her end, in my opinion. Tell her the best you can do is give two months notice because there is simply no way you can tell what is going to happen half a year in the future, and that whole speel about how you'd be more than happy to stay indefinitely.


I wouldn't even put it in those terms though. Tell her you'll be staying at least 6 months, and will give her as much advance notice when you do decide to leave as possible. The last thing you want to do is make her worry that you might leave at any time without giving her enough time to hire a replacement. If I were her (and if you were too if you think about it), you'd immediately start looking for someone else to hire to replace you *today* if you had even the slightest concern that you might be left high and dry at some point down the line.

Form a trust relationship with your boss. Reassure her that you wont ***** her over. The street runs both ways here, and you need to be aware of it.
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"I can't see that far in the future, but if my plans change you'll be the first to know" is what you should have said.


That, or "if you're asking for a longer commitment I'll need to see some incentive, bitCh."


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1. Do you have a contract? If you do, the terms of it will dictate separation.
2. If you don't have a contract they can fire you tomorrow. The only thing of concern is unemployment benefits if you care about them. If you care about them, lie about verbally committing to a 6 month timeline.
3. Don't work without a written contract.
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Definitely not like that. Most states are "at will" employment, which means an employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.


That's pretty much the case. With the exceptions of the discirmination factors outlined in federal and state law, employers can terminate employment and you can quit your job at anytime. Nixy has effectively shown that, I believe, in recent events.


But I think we're talking about two different things here. Being in an at will state means that in either case, you still get unemployment benefits. All it means is that your employer can't deny you those benefits if you quit, and you can't sue your employer if you are fired. I believe the only exception is if you are "fired with cause". To do that the employer has to document that you have violated some requirements for employment (late X number of times, violations of codes of ethics, stealing, cheating, etc). And trust me, it has to be documented very well.


It's a lot harder than some people seem to think to be terminated and *not* be eligible for unemployment benefits.


Unemployment benefits and termination claims are 2 different beings, but are complementary. California's standard is that to one of the factors it that someone has to be "Be unemployed through no fault of his/her own" to receive unemployment benefits. If you quit, and the employer reports on the Employment Development Department's inquiry form that you voluntarily quit, there's typically a telephone interview to resolve that issue. It's fairly easy to get around that inquiry. It's not the employer that gives out those benefits, it's the state and after going through the benefits process for a few of my former employees, I am seeing that the state is becoming more and more vigilant about loosey-goosey claims. Hawaii is the same way and I think Hawaii and California have a waiting period for those to get on benefits if they voluntarily quit their job.

If the employer terminates your employment with cause (you would never be rehired in their eyes), it's the same situation, there's a telephone interview to resolve that issue. If the employer terminate your employment and they would rehire you, your claim typically gets approved. Most employers (my office included) usually does not fight an unemployment benefits claim because the time and expense in doing that is not cost-effective.

For employment litigation, it's still drawn-out and typically when a termination claim comes about, the employee and personnel file does come to light and there better be documentation for an employer to prove that. However, some verdicts have favored the employee if the employee can be shown that the employee's behavior was reacting to a hostile working environment (consistently late because of sexual harassment from another worker as an example). But most employers still want to avoid the litigation so it's more cost effective to ask the employee to sign a resignation letter with the understanding that the employer will not fight the employee's claim for benefits.
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Being in an at will state

All states are "at will" states.

means that in either case, you still get unemployment benefits.

No state pays unemployment benefits for people who quit.


All it means is that your employer can't deny you those benefits if you quit, and you can't sue your employer if you are fired.

See above, and, while there are unique statutory exceptions in many states, in no state can you sue for being fired. The exceptions generally mirror public policy in the states, and of course federal law frequently applies as well, but your not someone we need to get into nuance with, are you. There is no state where "you're fired, get out" is actionable without the addition of "you're black" or "you wouldn't blow me" or whatever.


I believe the only exception is if you are "fired with cause". To do that the employer has to document that you have violated some requirements for employment (late X number of times, violations of codes of ethics, stealing, cheating, etc). And trust me, it has to be documented very well.


This is all about liability. It's mostly overkill, documenting that Mary wasn't fired because she wouldn't blow her boss or whatever. Largely it's best practice for large corps that occasionally deal with unions or need a structured CYA process that can be applied universally.


It's a lot harder than some people seem to think to be terminated and *not* be eligible for unemployment benefits.


No it isn't. Quit. Get fired for any sort of reasonable reason. Get fired for an unreasonable reason and have a ****** appeal during the benefits process, etc.
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Actually, I recently found out that there are certain scenarios where Hawaii, at least, will pay if you quit. One of those, which I found odd, is if there is a change in your maritial status.
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State regulation (§12-5-47) also provides that a voluntary separation may still be eligible if resignation was for good cause, which may be found for the following reasons:

Change in working conditions and the change is prejudicial or detrimental to the health, safety, or morals of the claimant;
Change in conditions or terms of employment, including, but not limited to: change in rate of pay, position or grade, duties, days of work, or hours of work;
Discrimination which violates federal or state laws regarding equal employment opportunity practices;
Change in employee's marital or domestic status;
Acceptance of a definite, firm offer made of other employment where the offer is substantially withdrawn and the former employer refuses to rehire the employee;
Retirement under a mandatory retirement imposed by a collective bargaining agreement; or
Any other factor relevant to a determination of good cause.


That is odd. I'm too lazy to look into what that actual means, likely not anyone that gets married can quit and collect, but who knows.
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I wasn't aware of the marital status part, but that list is pretty much what I was talking about earlier. I assumed we weren't talking about a case where someone just quit because they felt like being unemployed for a while. The most common scenarios are likely either health reasons or someone lines up another job, it falls through, and they can't get their old job back.
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I wasn't aware of the marital status part, but that list is pretty much what I was talking about earlier.

You understand no one believes this, right? We can't see inside your head (thank god), but the idea that you "assumed" something entirely different than what you posted is just seen as comical and slightly sad. I don't want to get into your mental illness again, but why bother posting this sort of thing. Even were it true, it's so implausible as to be meaningless.
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That is odd. I'm too lazy to look into what that actual means, likely not anyone that gets married can quit and collect, but who knows.


It may have something to do with if you got a divorce and... Well, I'm not sure and what. Maybe if you get married and your husband lives somewhere else and you have to move there? Or you get divorced and are forced to move because you can't afford your mortgage? Or your spouse dies and... well, anyway. Still a little odd.
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I wasn't aware of the marital status part, but that list is pretty much what I was talking about earlier.

You understand no one believes this, right? We can't see inside your head (thank god), but the idea that you "assumed" something entirely different than what you posted is just seen as comical and slightly sad. I don't want to get into your mental illness again, but why bother posting this sort of thing. Even were it true, it's so implausible as to be meaningless.


Um... Ok.

I was talking about how the law allows employees to quit while still getting unemployment benefits, and you assumed that I wasn't restricting that to the set of criteria that the law allows employees to quit while still getting unemployment benefits? Really? That seems kinda insane. It's your MO, I suppose. So have at it.

Always amazes me how hard some people will work to find the one way to interpret what someone says so that it makes no sense.
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#50 Sep 07 2012 at 2:31 AM Rating: Excellent
I'll try to help.

In flyover country:

I quit=no unemployment payments.
You are fired for no fault (downsize/whatever) yes unemployment insurance.
You are fired for fault (theft/************************ = no unemployment payments.

Yes, documentation (rule of 3) is important, but not absolutely neccesary.


You understand, g, that California is NOT like the rest of the country right?
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I was talking about how the law allows employees to quit while still getting unemployment benefits, and you assumed that I wasn't restricting that to the set of criteria that the law allows employees to quit while still getting unemployment benefits? Really? That seems kinda insane. It's your MO, I suppose. So have at it.

Great. As mentioned previously, I can't determine your intent post hoc. Assert whatever you want, I just thought it would be useful for you to understand that absolutely no one else finds it at all plausible. This isn't an isolated incident. This is likely the 100th+ time that you've made a post, been corrected then asserted that what you meant all along was entirely different. One more time, I stipulate there's no way to prove or disprove the two possible cases: 1. You're so insecure that you have a compulsion to claim to have been correct regardless of facts. or 2. You are, hands down, the WORST communicator in written English in the history of the world (worse than the translators of Zero Wing, no joke).

Given my extensive study of human behavior, and particularly group dynamics, I have to say case 1 is vastly more likely. You assert that case 2 is actually occuring. I'm stating to you in no uncertain terms: No one, literally no one else, other than you believes this to be the case.

I can see how my first post confused you though. Let me clarify after the fact. I assumed you'd understand that I was talking about you being a fucking idiot the rest of the board tolerates for comic relief like the fat high pitched voice character in a Hong Kong action film. I can't believe you didn't understand that.
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