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#1 Sep 04 2012 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/itbwcw/20120904/antisec-lulzsec-fbi-iphone-ipad-udid

There's a million stories on the web, I just picked the first one that came up. The gist of it is that an FBI officer had personal data (UDID, names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.) for over 12 million iOS device users sitting on a laptop. Said laptop was hacked by a group called #AntiSec and the file was stolen. They released 1 million of the abridged records (sans PII) as a kind of "FU" to the FBI to raise public awareness that this data was being compiled.

I posted about it on facebook and nobody said a word. I've also not seen anything posted here. Have we become so jaded on the subject of internet security that the potential for the FBI to have this data in the first place sparks absolutely zero discussion on the origin of the data or the security of the individuals whose information may now be compromised?
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Have we become so jaded on the subject of internet security that the potential for the FBI to have this data in the first place sparks absolutely zero discussion on the origin of the data or the security of the individuals whose information may now be compromised?


Yes. It's amazing the things that we humans become accustomed to.
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I think it's ironic that its IOS given that the "knowledgeable" IOS users claim security as one of their primary reasons for choosing the iPhone.

Honestly, at this point, I think it's naive if you don't think that your information isn't readily available to someone.
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I always assume the government is spying on me


Well, the first question would be "What was the FBI doing with personal data for 12 million iOS users in the first place?", but at this point, the primary concern would be what whomever has access to the actual data chooses to do with it.
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Well, the first question would be "What was the FBI doing with personal data for 12 million iOS users in the first place?"


Personally I'd rather not know, but I imagine such a list would be quite useful in many ways.

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the primary concern would be what whomever has access to the actual data chooses to do with it.


Sell it to someone would be my guess. Hello spam-bot!
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Pretty sure it's a sin to use an iPhone.
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Well, the first question would be "What was the FBI doing with personal data for 12 million iOS users in the first place?", but at this point, the primary concern would be what whomever has access to the actual data chooses to do with it.


Isn't that data that's basically published to every app you use? Don't get me wrong, I think it's moronic how Apple set this up (it's the equivalent of a cookie that hands every web site you visit your personal information), but that's Apple being the evil empire that it is. I hardly blame the FBI for this.
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Ignoring the questions about why they have it (I mean really? How many of us really think governments don't have this kind of data?) .

Why is it on a damn laptop? And further to that, why is it on ANY device with an internet connection?
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You have to remember that there are a very large population of federal and state high ranking law enforcement agents who have essentially only the slightest clue how electronic information security works. Which is ironic because many of these same individuals could probably give a lecture on how to find and disable phone taps and secure perimiters from optical microphone spying. But anyways, they have enough rank to get the data whenever they want it, the data is small enough to be moved easily and quickly in a variety of forms, and most small law enfocement agencies are more connected to the bigger data sources due to homeland security than they ever were before. Aside from the NSA and a few domestic CIA areas, no one has the budget to put up dedicated secured fiber optic links with sufficient security to ensure they aren't being tapped. Everyone else is relying on internet service providers of some sort, with antiquated computer equipment often running outdated software / firmware. Even the best of them tend to have some sort of pre-patch deployment testing, which leaves things open for targetted zero day attacks. That and so many people are conditioned to give information to "bob from IT" over the phone. In many instances corporations are even worse, because they give their data to Marketing People, who probably would sell the data under the table to a hacker for the right price. As much as I hate apple, its not just them either. Somewhere, there is a record of serial numbers that go with my motherboards. Those serial numbers theoretically tie to the list of MAC addresses for devices on those boards, and since they are registered for warranty purposes, they probably tie to my personal info, which given websites for certain motherboard makers, a toddler could probably accidentally hack. I can mitigate that somewhat from my end of course, but all data phones period are in the same boat. Apple just happens to make alot of them and has a really stupid way of storing the data.

The problem is that there are no concequinces. No requirements for my bank to disclose to me personally what retailer I use got hacked when they issue me a new credit card, no requirement that apple give these people new phones to complensate for the released data. If its a corporation there is at least a chance that someone will sue, but if its government, there is almost no chance of any action occuring at all, no matter how severe the breach. It's a broken system, and its going to remain broken until people start learning how to implement encryption and stop treating dataphones as a good place to do their banking on.
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And further to that, why is it on ANY device with an internet connection?
Probably because he's not the only one working with that information.
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And further to that, why is it on ANY device with an internet connection?
Probably because he's not the only one working with that information.

You can create a network that isn't on the Internet though. Anything that sensitive shouldn't be accessible outside of one location.
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Nokia Lumia with Windows 8 launches today.





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Nokia Lumia with Windows 8 launches today.


Lots of phone press events going on today. Nokia, Microsoft, Motorola, Verizon, & I believe Samsung/HTC are in a couple weeks.

Nokia/Microsoft's thing is going on now. I've been paying close attention to this stuff based on what I mentioned in the Windows Phone thread.

On that, note, if I don't hear anything compelling about Verizon Windows Phones, I'm probably going to just go for a Droid Razr Maxx. It's supposed to have pretty nice battery life, and it's 4G.
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You can create a network that isn't on the Internet

SIPRNet.

Or, you know, my perfectly good home network sans router.

Also, I have a friend who works network security analysis for the US military and I can assure you they have multiple private internal networks you have no clue about. That movie cliche about a facility being so secure that no personal items (even coffee mugs and key chains) are allowed inside isn't entirely made up.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:38am by BrownDuck
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BrownDuck wrote:
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You can create a network that isn't on the Internet

SIPRNet.

Or, you know, my perfectly good home network sans router.

Also, I have a friend who works network security analysis for the US military and I can assure you they have multiple private internal networks you have no clue about. That movie cliche about a facility being so secure that no personal items (even coffee mugs and key chains) are allowed inside isn't entirely made up.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:38am by BrownDuck


I'm a Signal Officer for the Army. I'm very familiar with SIPRNET, as I've been working with it in the past 6 years.I also spent the last 5 years as a COMSEC custodian...I'm familiar with the G-14 rooms.
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Almalieque wrote:
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You can create a network that isn't on the Internet

SIPRNet.

Or, you know, my perfectly good home network sans router.

Also, I have a friend who works network security analysis for the US military and I can assure you they have multiple private internal networks you have no clue about. That movie cliche about a facility being so secure that no personal items (even coffee mugs and key chains) are allowed inside isn't entirely made up.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:38am by BrownDuck


I'm a Signal Officer for the Army. I'm very familiar with SIPRNET, as I've been working with it in the past 6 years.I also spent the last 5 years as a COMSEC custodian...I'm familiar with the G-14 rooms.


Then you should realize how stupid your previous blanket statement was.
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You can create a network that isn't on the Internet

SIPRNet.

Or, you know, my perfectly good home network sans router.

Also, I have a friend who works network security analysis for the US military and I can assure you they have multiple private internal networks you have no clue about. That movie cliche about a facility being so secure that no personal items (even coffee mugs and key chains) are allowed inside isn't entirely made up.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:38am by BrownDuck


I'm a Signal Officer for the Army. I'm very familiar with SIPRNET, as I've been working with it in the past 6 years.I also spent the last 5 years as a COMSEC custodian...I'm familiar with the G-14 rooms.


Then you should realize how stupid your previous blanket statement was.


Or maybe you misunderstood?
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You can create a network that isn't on the Internet

SIPRNet.

Or, you know, my perfectly good home network sans router.

Also, I have a friend who works network security analysis for the US military and I can assure you they have multiple private internal networks you have no clue about. That movie cliche about a facility being so secure that no personal items (even coffee mugs and key chains) are allowed inside isn't entirely made up.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 10:38am by BrownDuck


I'm a Signal Officer for the Army. I'm very familiar with SIPRNET, as I've been working with it in the past 6 years.I also spent the last 5 years as a COMSEC custodian...I'm familiar with the G-14 rooms.


Then you should realize how stupid your previous blanket statement was.


Or maybe you misunderstood?


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Perhaps you could tell me how that statement possibly has more than one meaning.
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Perhaps you could tell me how that statement possibly has more than one meaning.


So, you don't understand.. There's no other meaning. How about you tell me how that is stupid or contradicts your statement?

You clearly don't understand COMSEC. Take that from a COMSEC Custodian and don't even bother trying to get out of this without looking silly. I assure you that you can't.

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I went home last night and unplugged my broadband modem from my router. BAM! Network that isn't connected to the internet...it's like...magic or something.
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I went home last night and unplugged my broadband modem from my router. BAM! Network that isn't connected to the internet...it's like...magic or something.


You don't get it, it's more complicated than that. You clearly don't understand COMSEC.

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So, are you saying that a standalone computer is a network? Else, unplugging it doesn't make it a "network not connected to the Internet". 'Tis indeed "more complicated than that". I don't even mess with networks like that and I know that much.
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So, are you saying that a standalone computer is a network? Else, unplugging it doesn't make it a "network not connected to the Internet". 'Tis indeed "more complicated than that". I don't even mess with networks like that and I know that much.

Hey dumb ass. If I unplug the internet cable from my router, all of my computers (wired and wifi) are still connected to each other, but there is zero internet connectivity. It really is no more complex than that.

It's OK though, keep talking out of your ass.

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Standalone? Dude, I have 7 systems running...
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Standalone? Dude, I have 7 systems running...

In Alma's world, nobody has more than one internet connected device at home.

In my case, I have 2 desktops, a laptop, a PS3, ipad, ipod touch and 2 android phones all connected to my router. They can indeed all talk to each other even WITHOUT the internet connection. Duh.

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There have good reason to ban mugs; they've seen some pretty cute devices chilling out inside those things. I've seen a device that was actually molded into the clay before heating. Everything about that piece was well nifty, from the resilient electronics, polymer clay, and Possum programming.
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So, are you saying that a standalone computer is a network? Else, unplugging it doesn't make it a "network not connected to the Internet". 'Tis indeed "more complicated than that". I don't even mess with networks like that and I know that much.

Hey dumb ass. If I unplug the internet cable from my router, all of my computers (wired and wifi) are still connected to each other, but there is zero internet connectivity. It really is no more complex than that.


Edited, Sep 5th 2012 11:49am by BrownDuck


Then it isn't a STANDALONE COMPUTER then is it? Do you even know what that means? It's pretty self explanatory..

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Seems like you're doing a good job on your own.

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ANd that doesn't mean anything to my question.
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In Alma's world, nobody has more than one internet connected device at home.

In my case, I have 2 desktops, a laptop, ipad, ipod touch and 2 android phones all connected to my router. They can indeed all talk to each other even WITHOUT the internet connection. Duh.


If we're counting devices I have 13 Smiley: nod.
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So, are you saying that a standalone computer is a network? Else, unplugging it doesn't make it a "network not connected to the Internet". 'Tis indeed "more complicated than that". I don't even mess with networks like that and I know that much.

Hey dumb ass. If I unplug the internet cable from my router, all of my computers (wired and wifi) are still connected to each other, but there is zero internet connectivity. It really is no more complex than that.


Edited, Sep 5th 2012 11:49am by BrownDuck


Then it isn't a STANDALONE COMPUTER then is it? Do you even know what that means? It's pretty self explanatory..

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It's OK though, keep talking out of your ass.


Seems like you're doing a good job on your own.

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Standalone? Dude, I have 7 systems running...


ANd that doesn't mean anything to my question.


You're the only one talking about a standalone computer, dip sh*t. You said you cannot have a network that isn't connected to the internet. You have been proven wrong. I don't know what the @#%^ you're talking about a standalone computer for, but that's completely irrelevant to the conversation.
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Standalone? Dude, I have 7 systems running...

In Alma's world, nobody has more than one internet connected device at home.

In my case, I have 2 desktops, a laptop, a PS3, ipad, ipod touch and 2 android phones all connected to my router. They can indeed all talk to each other even WITHOUT the internet connection. Duh.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 12:00pm by BrownDuck


Talking ignorance isn't the best way to recover from putting your foot in your mouth. Your statements clearly demonstrates that you misunderstood as I never said anything contrary to your comment.
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You're the only one talking about a standalone computer, dip sh*t. You said you cannot have a network that isn't connected to the internet. You have been proven wrong. I don't know what the @#%^ you're talking about a standalone computer for, but that's completely irrelevant to the conversation.


alma, earlier wrote:
You can create a network that isn't on the Internet


Am I misreading this? What the hell is going on here.
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ANd that doesn't mean anything to my question.


Yes it does, it answers it quite exactly. I have 7 PCs (and 6 other devices) on my network, the internet is not a requirement for said network to function. Doesn't get much simpler than that.
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Haha, I was wrong. Go figure. He said can, not can't.




Edited, Sep 5th 2012 12:07pm by BrownDuck
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You said you cannot have a network that isn't connected to the internet.


Where Did I say that? Again, You misunderstood. You're an idiot.


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You're the only one talking about a standalone computer, dip sh*t. ....I don't know what the @#%^ you're talking about a standalone computer for, but that's completely irrelevant to the conversation.


Because you're clueless. Thank you for pointing that out. I was wondering what you were talking about.
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Am I misreading this? What the hell is going on here.


Alma said you can create a network that isn't on the Internet and then referred to COMSEC, I pointed out that I can do that at home just by pulling a cable out of my router (basically agreeing) and Alma went off on a rampage about how that's not a network blah blah blah.
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Standalone? Dude, I have 7 systems running...

In Alma's world, nobody has more than one internet connected device at home.

In my case, I have 2 desktops, a laptop, a PS3, ipad, ipod touch and 2 android phones all connected to my router. They can indeed all talk to each other even WITHOUT the internet connection. Duh.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 12:00pm by BrownDuck


Talking ignorance isn't the best way to recover from putting your foot in your mouth. Your statements clearly demonstrates that you misunderstood as I never said anything contrary to your comment.


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Edited, Sep 5th 2012 12:06pm by BrownDuck
Why are you bolding something that you're apparently misreading?
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Why are you bolding something that you're apparently misreading?


Because I'm apparently seeing extraneous 'ts today.

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Am I misreading this? What the hell is going on here.


Alma said you can create a network that isn't on the Internet and then referred to COMSEC, I pointed out that I can do that at home just by pulling a cable out of my router (basically agreeing) and Alma went off on a rampage about how that's not a network blah blah blah.


I didn't say that it wasn't on a network. That's why I asked if you were referring to a standalone computer or not. If your PC is connected to something, then it isn't standalone.
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Am I misreading this? What the hell is going on here.


Alma said you can create a network that isn't on the Internet and then referred to COMSEC, I pointed out that I can do that at home just by pulling a cable out of my router (basically agreeing) and Alma went off on a rampage about how that's not a network blah blah blah.


I didn't say that it wasn't on a network. That's why I asked if you were referring to a standalone computer or not. If your PC is connected to something, then it isn't standalone.

Yes, you said can and I read can't. I did in fact misread.
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Am I misreading this? What the hell is going on here.


Alma said you can create a network that isn't on the Internet and then referred to COMSEC, I pointed out that I can do that at home just by pulling a cable out of my router (basically agreeing) and Alma went off on a rampage about how that's not a network blah blah blah.


I didn't say that it wasn't on a network. That's why I asked if you were referring to a standalone computer or not. If your PC is connected to something, then it isn't standalone.

Yes, you said can and I read can't. I did in fact misread.


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I didn't say that it wasn't on a network.


You insinuated that it wasn't and then couldn't understand my very simple response explaining that it was. Since I specifically said in the first comment that I had created a network I'm not sure what was so complicated.
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I didn't say that it wasn't on a network.


You insinuated that it wasn't and then couldn't understand my very simple response explaining that it was. Since I specifically said in the first comment that I had created a network I'm not sure what was so complicated.


Given the fact that I said you could create a network not on the Internet, it wouldn't make sense for me to insinuate that it wasn't or couldn't be part of a network without Internet connectivity. I realized that we were possibly talking over each other and that's the reason why I was asked if you were referring to a standalone computer for verification.

That's why I said that if you were talking about a standalone computer then it would take more than that. You didn't specify what was all in your network, so there's no way of me knowing if your statement were legit or not without knowing if your PC were a standalone.
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None of you are asking the important question - why the hell would you want to be OFF the internet??

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None of you are asking the important question - why the hell would you want to be OFF the internet??

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If you lack the security architecture and protocols to fight hacking of highly sensitive information, not being connected to the Internet reduces the possibility of your information being leaked. In this case, unless there's a required Internet connection in order to gather the said material, one single computer with sensitive information shouldn't be connected to the Internet or used for anything other than attending to that data.
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