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#27 Aug 29 2012 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them.
I'm okay with that.
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1: Various hand gestures are disallowed in schools.

Sure. I can't imagine why this needs to be one of them.

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2: S.E.E. is a bullsh*t made up sign language no one uses

No idea if this is true or not and I'm too lazy to play Wiki expert on sign language. It's irrelevant anyway since no one is saying "Stop using that sign because your language is made up bullshit."

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3. [...]Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them. We have no idea.

Or maybe the sign is also a magic talisman that keeps the man-eating ostriches away and now he fears for his life. As long as we're just making stuff up.

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4. There is no "enforcement".

Excellent. No problem means problem solved. Carry on signing, Hunter!
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#29 Aug 29 2012 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Kid's throwing gang signs!
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#30 Aug 29 2012 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I heard he's undefeated in games of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Hunter Spanjer.
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Or maybe the sign is also a magic talisman that keeps the man-eating ostriches away and now he fears for his life. As long as we're just making stuff up.


Making stuff up like the entire assumed backstory here, that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child? This is a staggering non story. Society isn't required to enable lazy parenting. If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form. Use another sign for school. Problem solved with a barely existing inconvenience for anyone. This isn't "Bobby held a banana like a gun so no more bananas allowed and Bobby's expelled!!" Equivocating it to that is just lazy. There a million other actual outrage-worthy stories that happen every day, the world is full of unfair ****** things happening to kids. This is the one you want to defend though? Really?

As for the reasoning they find it offensive, I'd have to guess that the crossed fingers make it look he's flipping off staff and other students. That's a guess, of course, but it follows from the actual news coverage. There's the assumption it looks like a gun, then a statement from the school administration that no, that wasn't the issue. The real question is why it matters. Students have no right to free speech in public schools. Long settled issue. I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.
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Making stuff up like the entire assumed backstory here, that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child?

Maybe. At this point it seems like you're more considerably more outraged at our "outrage" than anyone else here is outraged.
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#33 Aug 29 2012 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form.
Newsworthy you didn't name your kid FuckypantsGiantcock.
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#34 Aug 29 2012 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child?


On a global stage, this may be a non-story, but at a local level, it's ridiculous.

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If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form.


There's a huge difference between you being an inept parent and an idiot school official mistaking a simple sign language gesture for something offensive.

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This isn't "Bobby held a banana like a gun so no more bananas allowed and Bobby's expelled!!" Equivocating it to that is just lazy.


Except that it is, minus the expulsion. Banana, hand gesture, whatever. It's clearly not a weapon and the school district is attempting to eliminate it based on some idiot's claim that it resembles one.

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I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.


It's definitely not what's best for the kid, I agree, but then neither is trying to explain to a 3 year old deaf child that simply signing his name is offensive to some idiot(s) so he must do it differently. This three year old almost certainly doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand the underlying circumstance here, and given the ridiculousness of the claim, dismissing the issue altogether would be in everyone's best interest, but apparently school officials thought otherwise. In that context, I have no problem with them being made fools of on a national stage.
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#35 Aug 29 2012 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.
What makes you think he can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive? I bet no one thought his original signed name was offensive until some wing-nut with a title had a revelation.

SEE and ALS are full of gestures that someone somewhere will take offense to.

But I'm sure that headline drawing news story that the school-district initiated is best for all the students of Grand Isle.


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#36 Aug 29 2012 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I bet no one thought his original signed name was offensive until some wing-nut with a title had a revelation.


My vote is for an over-concerned parent.

IMO, school district should review it's policy. Hunter is a common enough name and signing it with a gun-like gesture seems pretty logical. This isn't a case you'd plan for ahead of time, but isn't entirely out of left field either. In the mean time, let's get little Hunter a 'cool code name' or something he can use at school as to not offend someone. Smiley: rolleyes
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#37 Aug 29 2012 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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It's probably not a "weapon" sign: it's probably a gang sign.

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It's probably not a "weapon" sign: it's probably a gang sign.

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#39 Aug 30 2012 at 7:18 AM Rating: Default
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[It's definitely not what's best for the kid, I agree, but then neither is trying to explain to a 3 year old deaf child that simply signing his name is offensive to some idiot(s) so he must do it differently. This three year old almost certainly doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand the underlying circumstance here


I'm not generally a fan of the "you don't have children so you know nothing" argument, but in this case I think you grossly underestimate the cognitive ability of the average 3 year old. It's difficult to imagine having a "special" sign for school would be anything but fun for him. Now sure, it'd be a hardship to have to teach him a made up sign that no one knows, but fortunately for Hunter, the standard in the deaf community is for one's sign name to be given by another person using identifying characteristics. In this case, maybe the sign for father coupled with the sign for douche would be appropriate as all would know Hunter was being referred to. Having a name sign that equates to the phonetic English word for one's name is (I'm not joking or making this up) considered tacky and offensive. Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I understand the idea, I just think being upset/concerned about this is out of scale and trivializes the real idiocy that happens every day to children. There are far better targets than the poor bastards running a public school that provides services to deaf 3 year olds (gratis?)

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If you want to post some real idiocy, I'm sure we could muster up some outrage about that as well. The well runs pretty deep.
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#41 Aug 30 2012 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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If you want to post some real idiocy, I'm sure we could muster up some outrage about that as well. The well runs pretty deep.

This forum could use new-thread incentives.

For a free magazine (or a custom 11k title) I'd commit to making two new posts a day.
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A free magazine incentive is just the thing this forum needs!

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#43 Aug 30 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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It's not in my nature, but I'd post once or twice a day for a magazine.
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#44 Aug 30 2012 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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What kind of magazine?
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#46 Aug 30 2012 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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No hippie stuff.
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#48 Aug 30 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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#49 Aug 30 2012 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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looks like the school reversed it's decision:

http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/School-District-Says-Deaf-Student-Not-Required-to-Change-Name-167784235.html

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"Grand Island Public Schools is not requiring any current student with a hearing impairment to change his or her sign language name." -GIPS Statement released Tuesday
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"The encouragement and support is amazing," Brian Spanjer, Hunter's father, said. "It's been more than I could have asked for and it's been extremely helpful."

But, that's not the case for Grand Island Public Schools.

They said they've been receiving hundreds of angry calls and emails, even death threats.


I wonder if those death threats were really just other deaf people named hunter calling in to support their fellow bretheren.
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#50 Aug 30 2012 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Must have been really loud gestures.
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Death threats?

Seriously, people, calm the fuck down. Go ***** on internet message boards like normal, sane people do.
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