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It's "Remarks not intended to be factual" all over again.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#128gbaji,
Posted: Aug 27 2012 at 7:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Similar in one context, and not similar in another. You're working really hard to avoid the parts I've already explained several times. To him, they are both similar in that he believes the child has a right to live. Obviously, they are not similar in terms of traumatic effect on the woman. Let's stop playing word games, ok?
gbaji wrote:
Yup. And that's not really his position, is it?
I would guess that it is, given that he gave a lengthy answer defending it. The fact that he's since backpedaled in a desperate attempt to save his campaign doesn't impress me much. Maybe it impresses you more.
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And, as he already showed through his sponsorship of legislation, he doesn't believe that all those forms of so-called "rape" that don't leave sufficient mark actually count as rape.
Not in the least.
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You know my position on this as well.
Yes. Helps explain why you're single.
Edited, Aug 27th 2012 8:47pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
gbaji wrote:
Obviously, they are not similar in terms of traumatic effect on the woman. Let's stop playing word games, ok?
There's no word games. He said he'd use the wedlock example to convince someone else to bear a child conceived from rape. If he didn't think the two were analogous, he wouldn't use one to defend the other; he could just say "the child has a right to live" without bringing up his aunt Martha who slept around or whatever compelling story he has to share.
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You're working really hard to avoid the parts I've already explained several times
You're working really hard to avoid admitting uncomfortable truths about your political party and its core beliefs.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#131gbaji,
Posted: Aug 27 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm sorry? You lost me when you attempted to argue that attempting to make distinctions between several different things that all carry the same broad label is somehow not about semantics.
gbaji wrote:
So you're arguing that forcible rape, non-forcible date rape, and statutory rape are all exactly identical?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
gbaji wrote:
Which is pretty normal when a politician says something stupid. I mean, it's not like he went on and on about the definition and use of the word "is" or anything.
Wow, I hope that wasn't really your defense or attempt to convince anyone that he wasn't speaking his true thoughts.
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It's not about what impresses me or not. Strange that you think this is important.
I don't. I'm a little curious and amused that you'd try to bend this so much to defend the guy but it's ultimately not really important. He said what he believed and now he's trying to salvage his campaign from the fallout.
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I'm sorry? You lost me...
Given previous threads on the topic, I'm not surprised in the least. This is one of those arenas where we just have vastly different values and I don't see you ever understanding mine given the cost.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
gbaji wrote:
I tend to agree, but I can also respect those who see the issue differently. For someone who believes that a human fetus is a living person and should have the same rights as you or I, it's quite logical to not make the sorts of exceptions we're talking about. For that person, so accept such an exception would effectively mean that the circumstances of your conception determine whether you get certain rights in our society. We don't deny someone a single right after they are born if they happen to be the child of incest or rape, so why deny the right to life to them before being born? Again, assuming someone who believes that such a right should exist prior to birth, that is.
We make exceptions for convicted felons on death row every day, not that I disagree with the death penalty. If life is so sacrosanct as your statement appears to make it, then we shouldn't kill them either.
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#135gbaji,
Posted: Aug 27 2012 at 8:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Where? That some in my party hold the position on abortion I mentioned earlier? Where the hell have I ever denied that? I'm not the one uncomfortable about this Joph. Kinda seems more like you are. You're the one who seems to have a need to twist people's words around in order to make someone's position about something different than it is. It's funny because in both cases, you have a Republican who believes in the right to life of a fetus. Yet, instead of addressing that position, both are attacked for things unrelated to that position. For one, it's what constitutes "legitimate rape", and for the other it's whether he believes that rape is similar to being pregnant out of wedlock.
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I'm not the one uncomfortable about this Joph. Kinda seems more like you are
I'll fully agree with you that the GOP positions on rape and abortion make me uncomfortable.
Re-reading Smith's comments, I have to agree that he did not state that he would use the example of his relative to counsel someone as it first appeared to me. He did strike a comparison between the two which was incredibly tone deaf which he first tried to defend ("but… put yourself in a father’s situation, yes. It is similar") and then backpedaled from when he realized how much he had just fucked up. His best defense then was saying he didn't condone rape as though that was ever the question. Most disturbing was his lack of interest in the state of the rape victim, shown by his rather blase comparison to counseling a woman who became pregnant from a consensual relationship.
Edited, Aug 27th 2012 9:32pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#138gbaji,
Posted: Aug 27 2012 at 8:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Different issue, but the argument is that the right to life can be lost based on actions the individual takes. Just as other rights can. The unborn child, whether the product of rape/incest or not, did not do anything to deserve having its right to life taken from it. The criminal presumably did. Now we can absolutely disagree as to what constitutes sufficient legal process to take that right to life away from someone, but we should be able to agree that such a right should only be taken away as a consequence of that person's own actions. At the very least, we should be able to agree that these really are significantly different cases.
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Yup. And that's not really his position, is it?
I would guess that it is, given that he gave a lengthy answer defending it.
Which is pretty normal when a politician says something stupid.
I'll remember that next time you phrase your retort in the form of a dissertation.
...which is, you know, pretty much always.
Christ gbaji, you make it too easy.
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Yup. And that's not really his position, is it?
I would guess that it is, given that he gave a lengthy answer defending it.
Which is pretty normal when a politician says something stupid.
I'll remember that next time you phrase your retort in the form of a dissertation.
...which is, you know, pretty much always.
I started out saying that what he said was stupid. I just happen to think it was stupid for slightly different reasons than most people.
Again: To me the dumb part is that he was attempting to argue that we shouldn't deal with a case in our law because it doesn't happen very often. That's like saying that we don't need to make murdering one armed basketball players illegal, because it's rare. It doesn't matter if he's absolutely correct and if we choose to look only at forcible rape, and the statistics for pregnancy from forcible rape are really really low, it's still a stupid argument. Even if it only happens once, we need to address the issue. It's doubly dumb in his case because his position is in opposition to an exception in the first place. So why the hell is he bothering with the odds of pregnancy from rape at all? His position on this issue doesn't change regardless of those odds, right?
That's why he was stupid to say that. It's not really about his distinction over "legitimate rape, or what the actual stats for pregnancy arising from rape are. It's about him arguing something that has absolutely no relevance to the position he holds on the issue itself.
Edited, Aug 27th 2012 7:51pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
Yup. Shocker. Got anything else to contribute?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
You must be new here.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just don't see anything wrong with what he said,
Likewise. Part of the reason I'm not a Republican, I guess.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregnant-woman-relieved-to-learn-her-rape-was-ille,29258/
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregnant-woman-relieved-to-learn-her-rape-was-ille,29258/
The link in the article you posted is funny.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-condemn-akins-comments-as-blemish-on-p,29259/
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We should ban life jackets and other flotation devices. They only encourage risky behavior. The only 100% effective way to prevent drowning is total abstinence from going in the water.
And if you do, by chance, find yourself struggling with drowning, then no life-saving or otherwise procedure or act should be allowed to be administered. You got yourself into this mess, you have to live with the consequences.
You should see drowning as a gift.
You, there with the sunglasses! You're just asking for it.
Also, if you were forcibly pushed into the water, don't worry. If it was legitimate pushing, your body will find a way to shut out all the water and survive the drowning.
And if you do, by chance, find yourself struggling with drowning, then no life-saving or otherwise procedure or act should be allowed to be administered. You got yourself into this mess, you have to live with the consequences.
You should see drowning as a gift.
You, there with the sunglasses! You're just asking for it.
Also, if you were forcibly pushed into the water, don't worry. If it was legitimate pushing, your body will find a way to shut out all the water and survive the drowning.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Also, if you were forcibly pushed into the water, don't worry. If it was legitimate pushing, your body will find a way to shut out all the water and survive the drowning.
Virgins float. duh
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