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#1 Aug 17 2012 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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Not surprised to not see any news on this, but apparently this guy pulled a "abortion clinic" attack (with 15 CFA sandwiches) on the Family Council and is being considered as a possible terrorist attack.

What say you?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20120817_Man_charged_in_attack_on_conservative_site.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-fired-family-research-council-carried-15-chick-fil-a-sandwiches-ammo-backpack-article-1.1137935

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/alamogordo-nm/T5KQLOFGME09U5NA2

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You mean news here or news in general? I've seen plenty of news in general about it.

I wouldn't read too much into it not being posted here. No one mentioned the Colorado Batman shooting until ThiefX made a thread just to whine about liberals. No one has posted a thing about the Sikh temple shooting by the white supremacist.

Anyway, my opinion is the same as it was for those events -- dangerous lunatics, be they right wing, left wing or neither, shouldn't be walking around with guns.
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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.
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Anyway, my opinion is the same as it was for those events -- dangerous lunatics, be they right wing, left wing or neither, shouldn't be walking around with guns.


Shame on you, turning this tragedy into an attack on gun ownership.
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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.


Boycott, bah. You never hear about girlcotts.



Because we can't not shop, don't be stupid.
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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.
The fatty needed sustenance.
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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.
On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.

I take that back. Seeing seen his shirtless photo, I have solved the mystery of why he'd have 15 chicken sandwiches.

Edited, Aug 17th 2012 8:49pm by Jophiel
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Poor thing must have been unhinged by sexual frustration and the betrayal of his beloved. Although why any **** man would eat anything that sounds like "chick filler" is beyond me.

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I'd wager that 4/5 Nixnots agree that the best filler is the kind that usually likes to put it in chicks.
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It might sound like chick filler, but there's no denying they're **** sandwiches.
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Almalieque wrote:
Not surprised to not see any news on this, but apparently this guy pulled a "abortion clinic" attack (with 15 CFA sandwiches) on the Family Council and is being considered as a possible terrorist attack.

What say you?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20120817_Man_charged_in_attack_on_conservative_site.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-fired-family-research-council-carried-15-chick-fil-a-sandwiches-ammo-backpack-article-1.1137935

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/alamogordo-nm/T5KQLOFGME09U5NA2

Some nut shot a guy. To say anything more, or to politicize this is just sensationalizing. This forum is typically to lazy to bother with sensation.
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#14Almalieque, Posted: Aug 17 2012 at 9:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I meant in general. When I didn't see any posts about the olympics until well after the fact, I can tell that threads here aren't always necessarily political driven. Unless it's SSM..... >.>
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Speaking of this, it's hilarious how some of the news organizations (or maybe just the overly perky woman I saw on CNN) are all "this guy shot a dude, and that's wrong, but the Southern Poverty Law Center calls them a hate group, so they probably deserved it!"

If one interest group calls another one names, clearly it's national news.
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Apparently it's totally unacceptable to call a hate group a hate group. When you have organizations labeling people as subhuman, dangerous, or unamerican, the unhinged people whether they are on the right or left are going to take violence to them. Perfect example of this is the increase in violence and hate speech towards the Muslim and Sikh community.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/201281711826930331.html

It isn't acceptable towards any group. Violence is violence and it should be condemned whether verbal or physical. The man that shot the security guard should definitely be in jail and prison if convicted. A killer is a killer is a killer no matter their political or social views.
#17Almalieque, Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 9:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1. Did the FRC label homosexuals this way or are you just assuming that because they don't support SSM?
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Apparently it's totally unacceptable to call a hate group a hate group.


In this case, the concern is calling a "non-hate" group a "hate" group. I'm not going to officially say that the FRC is not a hate group, but given what has been provided so far without any research, clearly FRC is not a hate group and people are just upset that they don't support homosexuality.

Not supporting your lifestyle != hate group. There has to be more than that.

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When you have organizations labeling people as subhuman, dangerous, or unamerican, the unhinged people whether they are on the right or left are going to take violence to them. Perfect example of this is the increase in violence and hate speech towards the Muslim and Sikh community.


1. Did the FRC label homosexuals this way or are you just assuming that because they don't support SSM?

2. Your statement is proven false by your own link at 1:15.


Many hateful and misleading things have been said about homosexuals by the FRC.

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“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

“[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

“One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize @#%^philes as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
-1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize **** with Boys.

“[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of **** men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
— Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

“While activists like to claim that @#%^philia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010


Those are just a few of the hateful, ridiculous claims this group has made over the last decade.

**** marriage is the issue du jour at the moment. It is the issue riling up the left at this time, hence the potential of the FRC attack being considered domestic terrorism. Take a look at the rants from the right against the left: Islam, Homosexuals, Guns...Where do you see recent bullying and attacks cropping up? Things that involve these issues from the right.

To be honest, I'm surprised NOM has this video up on their youtube channel. It makes them look ridiculous for defending a known hate group.

Edited, Aug 19th 2012 11:26pm by Paskil
#19Almalieque, Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would have to actually see that stuff in context for a better understanding.
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Society has to accept the fact that there are lifestyles that people just don't like and or accept and stop trying to be political about everything.

Politics are the means by which societies decide what they're going to accept or not. By their very nature, societies are political.
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#21 Aug 19 2012 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would have to actually see that stuff in context for a better understanding.


Understand that the people whom said it are **** & that by saying these kind of things they're trying to drum up support for their cause by: using a slippery slope argument, lying, using fear, misleading purposefully to pursue an agenda, & inciting hatred. Ya know, using hate speech?

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The fact that you even consider that "hateful" can be seen as contradictory and ironic as you're treating "children lovers" the same way society treats homosexuals


Child lovers hurt children, asshole. **** people don't anymore than straight people, virgins in the military, or furries, do. I find furries creepy, but unless they go full K9 there's nothing wrong with what they do in the bedroom. Being overly concerned about it would be kind of weird though. Like you're kinda weird with your homo-hard on.

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That has been why I don't focus on the "end result", i.e. SSM, but how we obtain it. Society has to accept the fact that there are lifestyles that people just don't like and or accept and stop trying to be political about everything.


You don't have to like it, just stop being such a **** about it. I think furries are creepy, but they aren't hurting anyone, so why worry about it? WHy do you, personally, have such a hard-on for the gays? If you're secretly worried you might be gay, there's a test you can take: suck a **** if you like it, you're probably into dudes.
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Not supporting your lifestyle != hate group. There has to be more than that.

Without trying to imply anything about this specific case, I want to simply point out that bigots don't think of themselves as bigots.

As a simple example, go to http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ and browse, just browse. I think it has a fair shot of being worth your time. You can gain a lot knowledge about specific techniques people use to justify and rationalize their actions.
#23Almalieque, Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 4:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Omega, I'll address you later when I have more time.
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Simply calling people bigots don't make you right. That's a form of terrorism in itself


Yeah, I'm sure the people in Israel would totally agree that calling someone a bigot is on the same level as dodging mortars in the street Smiley: dubious
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Almalieque wrote:
We went over this already. Simply calling people bigots don't make you right.

Never said it did.
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Bigots know that they are bigots, they just don't want accept it.

That's a fairly contradictory statement there, but I think it you're still somewhat agreeing with me. If they're in denial about their bigotry, then they don't see themselves as bigots.

It's pretty basic psychology. People don't like seeing themselves in a negative light. There are two ways to reduce that cognitive dissonance, either people change their actions to match their opinions or they change their opinions to match their actions. Racist people don't go around doing racist things while thinking about how racist they are and what terrible people they are. They go around thinking about how their racist actions are making the world a better place for themselves, their children, or whatever other justifying reasons they've invented.

That's just basic human modus operandi.

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The man that shot the security guard should definitely be in jail and prison if convicted.
Was there even any argument against that?
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I'll buy that with the caveat that there is nothing wrong with the "root" of politics, but society has bastardized it into something baleful where the focus isn't on the people, but on themselves.

This treads a line somewhere between nonsensical and naive.
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I'll buy that with the caveat that there is nothing wrong with the "root" of politics, but society has bastardized it into something baleful where the focus isn't on the people, but on themselves.
This treads a line somewhere between nonsensical and naive.
The sky is blue, and other obvious observation.
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The man that shot the security guard should definitely be in jail and prison if convicted.
Was there even any argument against that?


No there wasn't, at least not here. However, I was tacitly agreeing with the fact that I have seen people commenting as well that this group "deserves" this attack because of their views, at least in the typical semi-anonymous commenting you see on forums/news articles.
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Understand that the people whom said it are **** & that by saying these kind of things they're trying to drum up support for their cause by: using a slippery slope argument, lying, using fear, misleading purposefully to pursue an agenda, & inciting hatred. Ya know, using hate speech?


As I said before, pro homosexual supporters always use the civil rights and women's movements as their foundation for their arguments, but when people use the SAME EXACT rationale for other forms of sexuality, it becomes a "slippery slope". It's either a valid rationale or it's not.

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Child lovers hurt children, @#%^.


Oh really? Let's examine this.

What defines a child? Are you defining by maturity or by age? Current societies use age for legal definitions, but the reasoning is due to the immaturity and understanding of the child. So a 17 year old girl is protected by law from the 47 year old man because she is too "immature" to understand life, but magically when she turns 18, she is ready, because 18 year olds are matured individuals that fully understand life.

How is it that two 15 year old high school students can be in a relationship, be in love, plan to marry, want to run away together, be sexually active and that be legal, but add a 47 year old, then it's "wrong"? What's the difference? The said teen is already participating in the very same things. What is difference? How is it ok with another 15 year old, but not with a 47 year old?

If you want to look at it in the long run, who is she better off with? The 15 year old boy who has no job, house and understanding of life. Or Mr. Johnson, the 35 year old social economics teacher with a job, house and life experience?

I'm not advocating "child love", I'm just keeping it real. Societies world wide had such relationships as norms at one point in time of their history. As a society, we just decided to say that's "icky" and prevented it from happening. That is no different than what some people are doing towards homosexuals.

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You don't have to like it, just stop being such a **** about it. I think furries are creepy, but they aren't hurting anyone, so why worry about it?


Being a **** My point is that you can say things like "I think furries are creepy" and not be labeled a bigot who want furries dead. You realize that it is perfectly plausible to totally disagree with their lifestyle and not hate them as a person. That same treatment isn't equal towards homosexuals. If you don't support homosexuality 110%, then you are homophobic bigot, no different than the KKK. So, who's using hate speech now?

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WHy do you, personally, have such a hard-on for the gays? If you're secretly worried you might be gay, there's a test you can take: suck a **** if you like it, you're probably into dudes.


This is exactly my point. Hate speech. Say anything contrary to the homosexual life style and you're secretly a homosexual or a homophobe. How come people can't say "I think homosexuality is wrong" and not be a homophobic bigot like you are towards furries?
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What exactly is the "homosexual lifestyle." I mean, I've been **** all my life and seem to be missing out on something special. I see this term thrown about all the time as if my daily routine and/or home life is special.
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Understand that the people whom said it are **** & that by saying these kind of things they're trying to drum up support for their cause by: using a slippery slope argument, lying, using fear, misleading purposefully to pursue an agenda, & inciting hatred. Ya know, using hate speech?


As I said before, pro homosexual supporters always use the civil rights and women's movements as their foundation for their arguments, but when people use the SAME EXACT rationale for other forms of sexuality, it becomes a "slippery slope". It's either a valid rationale or it's not.

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Child lovers hurt children, @#%^.


Oh really? Let's examine this.

What defines a child? Are you defining by maturity or by age? Current societies use age for legal definitions, but the reasoning is due to the immaturity and understanding of the child. So a 17 year old girl is protected by law from the 47 year old man because she is too "immature" to understand life, but magically when she turns 18, she is ready, because 18 year olds are matured individuals that fully understand life.

How is it that two 15 year old high school students can be in a relationship, be in love, plan to marry, want to run away together, be sexually active and that be legal, but add a 47 year old, then it's "wrong"? What's the difference? The said teen is already participating in the very same things. What is difference? How is it ok with another 15 year old, but not with a 47 year old?

If you want to look at it in the long run, who is she better off with? The 15 year old boy who has no job, house and understanding of life. Or Mr. Johnson, the 35 year old social economics teacher with a job, house and life experience?

I'm not advocating "child love", I'm just keeping it real. Societies world wide had such relationships as norms at one point in time of their history. As a society, we just decided to say that's "icky" and prevented it from happening. That is no different than what some people are doing towards homosexuals.

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You don't have to like it, just stop being such a **** about it. I think furries are creepy, but they aren't hurting anyone, so why worry about it?


Being a **** My point is that you can say things like "I think furries are creepy" and not be labeled a bigot who want furries dead. You realize that it is perfectly plausible to totally disagree with their lifestyle and not hate them as a person. That same treatment isn't equal towards homosexuals. If you don't support homosexuality 110%, then you are homophobic bigot, no different than the KKK. So, who's using hate speech now?

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WHy do you, personally, have such a hard-on for the gays? If you're secretly worried you might be gay, there's a test you can take: suck a **** if you like it, you're probably into dudes.


This is exactly my point. Hate speech. Say anything contrary to the homosexual life style and you're secretly a homosexual or a homophobe. How come people can't say "I think homosexuality is wrong" and not be a homophobic bigot like you are towards furries?


Take a deep breath and relax. You want to know why FRC is a hate group vs a group that says that homosexuality is icky and gives them the creeps? Because they run studies linking homosexuality to pedophilia. They opposed the Uniting American Families Act because it would allow the partner of a commited individual in a permanant relationship to apply for a green card/immigratation, they "would rather see us export homosexuals, than import them" (paraphrasing but very close to the quote you can find on 'tube). THey think that homosexuality is destructive to our society, in the same way that other hate groups see Jews or Blacks in that light. Take five minutes out of your day to check out some of the studies they proudly link to on their website. There are many interviews floating around in text, audio, and video with their members happily shooting off their mouths about how dangerous teh gays r.

They are a hate group.
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Just 20%? Hmmm...I may have to "gay" things up around here. Better buy some Donna Summer records or something.
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As I said before, pro homosexual supporters always use the civil rights and women's movements as their foundation for their arguments, but when people use the SAME EXACT rationale for other forms of sexuality, it becomes a "slippery slope". It's either a valid rationale or it's not.

Speaking of fallacies, there's an excluded middle one going on right here.

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but magically when she turns 18, she is ready, because 18 year olds are matured individuals that fully understand life.

I doubt anyone believes that. Rather, 18 is considered by society to be a reasonable compromise on when to consider someone an adult with everyone realizing that some children mature faster than others. Of course, that's assuming (for "child love") purposes that the age of consent in that state is 18. And ignoring the obvious attempt on your part to steer clear of the stigma of pre-teen pedophilia which is what the "Gays are child lovers!" set is really talking about.
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How come people can't say "I think homosexuality is wrong" and not be a homophobic bigot like you are towards furries?

Omegavegeta isn't supporting preventing them from marrying other furries, serving in the military or whatever else.

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That's a fairly contradictory statement there, but I think it you're still somewhat agreeing with me. If they're in denial about their bigotry, then they don't see themselves as bigots.


It's not contradictory at all. My distinction maybe irrelevant, but I took your comment as bigots do not realize that they are bigots. In other words, they don't think that they are doing anything wrong. My counter references people who argue slave owners didn't know that slavery was wrong because owning slaves was the norm. That's a load of **** because they weren't desiring to be slaves and they weren't enslaving their friends and family, so obviously they knew it was subhuman. Likewise, any bigot KNOWS that what they are doing is indeed bigotry ( I would say most to be realistic ). Whether or not they admit to being one is another story.

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What exactly is the "homosexual lifestyle." I mean, I've been **** all my life and seem to be missing out on something special. I see this term thrown about all the time as if my daily routine and/or home life is special.


It's not special at all. The word "lifestyle" can be seen as redundant as it is defined in the word homosexuality. It's your sexual lifestyle based on homosexuality as opposed to heterosexuality or some other form of sexuality.

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Because they run studies linking homosexuality to @#%^philia.


There's nothing wrong with that. Making up results or creating misleading studies is wrong, but simply doing the study isn't classified as a "hate group". If the claim is as bogus as you want to believe, then it should show up in the research. If I did a research to show that women are from the devil, I would get laughed at. However, providing studies that falsely "prove" it would fall under "hatred". Once again, you're expressing your hatred towards 'philia.

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They opposed the Uniting American Families Act because it would allow the partner of a commited individual in a permanant relationship to apply for a green card/immigratation, they "would rather see us export homosexuals, than import them" (paraphrasing but very close to the quote you can find on 'tube).


I can see that being considered as hatred; however, I would be hesitant to solidify my answer without seeing it in context.

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THey think that homosexuality is destructive to our society,

In what way? Would say the same thing if they believed strippers, prostitutes and whores (men and women) were destructive to our society? Are they fighting for sexual purity or are they singling out homosexuality?

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in the same way that other hate groups see Jews or Blacks in that light.

Given the fact that your skin color and national origin are not life styles, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be in the same way. THAT is the slippery slope used by pro-homosexual supporters as their foundation.

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Take five minutes out of your day to check out some of the studies they proudly link to on their website. There are many interviews floating around in text, audio, and video with their members happily shooting off their mouths about how dangerous teh gays r.

They are a hate group.


It doesn't seem necessary as everything provided by supporters fall short of a hate group. I'm not going to deny some "hateful" phrases that might be floating around, but what constitutes a hate group? If simply the words provided, then the average pro-homosexual support group is equally a hate group for labeling everyone homophobic bigots who don't support them.
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So **** is a lifestyle now? Who knew! Tell me about this "heterosexual lifestyle." How does one lead it? Does it involve cake decorating?
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in the same way that other hate groups see Jews or Blacks in that light.

Given the fact that your skin color and national origin are not life styles, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be in the same way. THAT is the slippery slope used by pro-homosexual supporters as their foundation.
Homosexuality (or any sexuality for that matter) is not a lifestyle you **** retard.
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Tell me about this "heterosexual lifestyle." How does one lead it? Does it involve cake decorating?

Actually, you just hang around the house on a Friday night watching a "Cake Boss" marathon because you're too tired to find a babysitter and go out.

So... sorta?
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So **** is a lifestyle now? Who knew! Tell me about this "heterosexual lifestyle." How does one lead it? Does it involve cake decorating?

It mostly involves wearing wife-beaters. And Alma.
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So **** is a lifestyle now? Who knew! Tell me about this "heterosexual lifestyle." How does one lead it? Does it involve cake decorating?

It mostly involves wearing wife-beaters. And Alma.
And makin' sure them there **** aren't allowed to tell you that they're checking your **** out in the shower.
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Cake Boss? Bleah. Guess I'm glad my partner and I watch House Hunters, Chopped, and Antiques Roadshow instead.
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Speaking of fallacies, there's an excluded middle one going on right here.


You got me!!Smiley: rolleyes

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I doubt anyone believes that. Rather, 18 is considered by society to be a reasonable compromise on when to consider someone an adult with everyone realizing that some children mature faster than others. Of course, that's assuming (for "child love") purposes that the age of consent in that state is 18. And ignoring the obvious attempt on your part to steer clear of the stigma of pre-teen pedophilia which is what the "Gays are child lovers!" set is really talking about.


I'm just making a point. As a society, we "arbitrarily" (placed in quotes to avoid that argument for now) choose an age to discriminate against. In reality, we know that there is no difference between 18 and 17, but choosing the age of 18 is "logical" as it coincides with other regulations. Allowing that restriction to include 17 year olds shatters the core argument of being an adult. At that point, what's the difference between 17 and 16? 16 and 15? So on and so on? I don't think there is a logical argument denying the difference between a 12 year old and an 18 year old, but what logical sound argument is used to allow 17 and 16 year olds that can't be applied to 12 year olds? Society has purposefully created a line of acceptance and stuck with it.

Do you see any resemblance here? Homosexuals are the 17 year olds. Everyone knows that there is no difference between 18 year olds and 17 year olds, but where do you draw the line ( assuming you're advocating a line)? How can you allow 17 year olds, but not 16 year olds? I'm not saying it's not possible, but you have to present that argument. Most arguments either include them or exclude them in a matter that is no different than the way that they are/were excluded.

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Omegavegeta isn't supporting preventing them from marrying other furries, serving in the military or whatever else.

Which doesn't answer the question. Let a person who feels indifferent in the homosexual movement, but thinks homosexuality is wrong. Is he a homophobe?

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Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:

Speaking of fallacies, there's an excluded middle one going on right here.


You got me!!Smiley: rolleyes

Jophiel wrote:
I doubt anyone believes that. Rather, 18 is considered by society to be a reasonable compromise on when to consider someone an adult with everyone realizing that some children mature faster than others. Of course, that's assuming (for "child love") purposes that the age of consent in that state is 18. And ignoring the obvious attempt on your part to steer clear of the stigma of pre-teen @#%^philia which is what the "Gays are child lovers!" set is really talking about.


I'm just making a point. As a society, we "arbitrarily" (placed in quotes to avoid that argument for now) choose an age to discriminate against. In reality, we know that there is no difference between 18 and 17, but choosing the age of 18 is "logical" as it coincides with other regulations. Allowing that restriction to include 17 year olds shatters the core argument of being an adult. At that point, what's the difference between 17 and 16? 16 and 15? So on and so on? I don't think there is a logical argument denying the difference between a 12 year old and an 18 year old, but what logical sound argument is used to allow 17 and 16 year olds that can't be applied to 12 year olds? Society has purposefully created a line of acceptance and stuck with it.

Do you see any resemblance here? Homosexuals are the 17 year olds. Everyone knows that there is no difference between 18 year olds and 17 year olds, but where do you draw the line ( assuming you're advocating a line)? How can you allow 17 year olds, but not 16 year olds? I'm not saying it's not possible, but you have to present that argument. Most arguments either include them or exclude them in a matter that is no different than the way that they are/were excluded.
Age doesn't come into play ...at all in homosexuality. There is no guessing if the person is mature enough to make their own decisions. So, it's a stupid comparison. It's even stupider that you keep going with it.

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Let a person who feels indifferent in the homosexual movement, but thinks homosexuality is wrong. Is he a homophobe?

Basically yes, if someone declares that it's 'wrong' for another person to be homosexual then they are passing judgement on someone else based on bigotry.
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I think that the idea is that when people find homosexuality wrong, a lot of times it's because they're scared of it (and what it could do to "traditional" marriage). Another form of homophobia is when mostly heterosexual males overcompensate because they are scared they might be "brainwashed" into the "lifestyle" because it's a "choice". Silly boys, if only you accepted that the gays are born that way and there's nothing we can do about it, you have so much less to be afraid of.
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It's like you people have Weekend Alzheimers.

Edited, Aug 20th 2012 3:51pm by lolgaxe
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It's like you people have Weekend Alzheimers.

Edited, Aug 20th 2012 3:51pm by lolgaxe

50 First Posts With Alma. Who are you?

Speaking of Alzheimers, it's been linked to microwave popcorn. Smiley: eek
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#50Almalieque, Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 2:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I see someone is being purposefully ignorant. Whatever floats your boat. So, I guess being a **** isn't a lifestyle either huh? So, what defines a "lifestyle" Mr. Denial?
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I see someone is being purposefully ignorant. Whatever floats your boat. So, I guess being a **** isn't a lifestyle either huh? So, what defines a "lifestyle" Mr. Denial?

"Being a whore" is sexuality now? Whoa, might want to ground those goalposts a little better before you move them again.
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