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#602 Oct 22 2012 at 6:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are plenty of other groups that have also gone through struggles, i.e the aboriginals, initial European immigrants, Mexican Americans, Japanese Americans during WWII, women,etc. What makes the Black civil right movement any more like homosexual movements than the ones mentioned? The answer? Nothing.

Perhaps instead of asking what makes the "black civil right" struggle like it and deciding it's not special enough to compare, you can just ask what makes it like the "civil rights" struggle.
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Requiring slavery as a pre-condition is taking an extremely narrow view of civil rights in the United States.
I'm part Irish and demand reparations!


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Jophiel wrote:
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There are plenty of other groups that have also gone through struggles, i.e the aboriginals, initial European immigrants, Mexican Americans, Japanese Americans during WWII, women,etc. What makes the Black civil right movement any more like homosexual movements than the ones mentioned? The answer? Nothing.

Perhaps instead of asking what makes the "black civil right" struggle like it and deciding it's not special enough to compare, you can just ask what makes it like the "civil rights" struggle.


That would elude my point. I'm pointing out that the only similarities between the Black civil rights and the homosexual civil rights are common among ALL civil right movements and struggles. So, therefore it would be silly to make a comparison of two things based on common factors within the subgroup.
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Ok, here's the thing Alma (and others) - I am white. I was once married to a black man. That was my choice. My husband now is white. I was able to marry the man I wanted because the law no longer forbids it. Right now, gay people can't marry the people they want to marry. That would be like me being forced to marry a white man back in the 80's when I clearly was in love with and wanted to marry a black man.

yes I've never brought this up before. Yes, my oldest son is mixed. He considers himself black.
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yes I've never brought this up before. Yes, my oldest son is mixed. He considers himself black.

And that little boy grew up to be... Barack Hussain Obama.

And now you know the rest of the story.
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yes I've never brought this up before. Yes, my oldest son is mixed. He considers himself black.

And that little boy grew up to be... Barack Hussain Obama.

And now you know the rest of the story.

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I was not in any denigrating the plight of the ginger, merely pointing out that, you know, a homosexual can marry someone of the opposite sex and still be a homosexual.


This is true.

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Just like if someone who is black marries someone who is white is still black.


Completely unrelated, but is still true. One of the primary arguments against interracial marriages were based on children, something that is still very blatant in East Asia today. Again, no comparison.

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See, we agree. None of these people has any control over that particular trait that we are focusing on, was my point.


Wrong. Black people can't hide behind their skin color. Anyone can suppress their sexuality, live a lie and act against their feelings. The ability to do so is "control". Just like how the average man controls his hormones when a woman who he finds sexually appealing is near him. Would you excuse a rapist for "not being able to control his feelings"?

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And the fact that you had become a little more enlightened by pointing this out in your previous post, that was also part of my point.


You never explained how a comparison of a red head is any more accurate or inaccurate than any of the other groups.

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You really aren't very good at coherent arguments or reading comprehension, are you?

Smiley: grinYou must have selective reading.


I should have known better than to even try. /sigh

I guess good try. If, you know, the goal was to completely miss the point
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#610 Oct 23 2012 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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That would elude my point. I'm pointing out that the only similarities between the Black civil rights and the homosexual civil rights are common among ALL civil right movements and struggles.


So, why do you think, despite the similarities between gay rights & civil rights arguments, that the arguments against gay rights are justified but not the arguments against civil rights?

Be specific. Bonus points for complete thoughts & sentences.
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Because only BLACK civil rights count. And no one is allowed to talk about blacks when discussing civil rights because then it's BLACK civil rights.
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Ok, here's the thing Alma (and others) - I am white. I was once married to a black man. That was my choice. My husband now is white. I was able to marry the man I wanted because the law no longer forbids it. Right now, gay people can't marry the people they want to marry. That would be like me being forced to marry a white man back in the 80's when I clearly was in love with and wanted to marry a black man.

yes I've never brought this up before. Yes, my oldest son is mixed. He considers himself black.


Once again. Just because football has a ball and tennis has a ball, doesn't make both sports similar even though they are both sports. Even though they are two sports, they have distinct differences. Same applies here, both are civil rights, but they both have distinct differences.

You can't say "well homosexuals were discriminated against the law so it's the same as trail of tears" or "Since we allow women to work, two men should be able to marry" Those are two completely different struggles based on two completely different forms of discrimination.

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I should have known better than to even try. /sigh

I guess good try. If, you know, the goal was to completely miss the point


You never explained how a comparison of a red head is any more accurate or inaccurate than any of the other groups.

Pretty weak cop out. Clearly you're just saying that to avoid answering questions.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2012 1:40pm by Almalieque
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Pretty weak cop out. Clearly you're just saying that to avoid answering questions.



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#614 Oct 23 2012 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can't say "well homosexuals were discriminated against the law so it's the same as trail of tears" or "Since we allow women to work, two men should be able to marry" Those are two completely different struggles based on two completely different forms of discrimination.

Are you going out of your way to produce the worst possible examples?
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Requiring slavery as a pre-condition is taking an extremely narrow view of civil rights in the United States.
I'm part Irish and demand reparations!
What you would get in alcohol discounts the government would make up with sales tax increases.
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#616Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 1:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't have to, comparing the ability to marry someone of the same sex vs the ability to vote, to legally be a person, use public transportation, public facilities, equal education, slavery, house ownership, etc. is already a pretty bad example.
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You can't say "well homosexuals were discriminated against the law so it's the same as trail of tears" or "Since we allow women to work, two men should be able to marry" Those are two completely different struggles based on two completely different forms of discrimination.
Are you going out of your way to produce the worst possible examples?
I don't have to, comparing the ability to marry someone of the same sex vs the ability to vote, to legally be a person, use public transportation, public facilities, equal education, slavery, house ownership, etc. is already a pretty bad example.

I'd agree that someone comparing SSM to the right to vote is a bad example. Especially since comparing it to miscegenation laws is a far, far superior example.

On the other hand, comparing the lack of legislation protecting against workplace hiring discrimination on the basis of sexuality would compare wonderfully to workplace discrimination laws regarding minorities or women. Likewise for, say, housing rental.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2012 2:27pm by Jophiel
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#618Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That would depend on the discrimination. People pretend that we don't legally discriminate against sex and skin color when hiring people, but we do. We went over this already. It depends on the situation. Telling someone that they can't work at Mc Donalds because she's a "white girl" would be considered wrongfully discrimination. Telling a white girl that she can't work at a gay man's strip club as a stripper is far much more debatable.
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Yet, still far far from being accurate.

Not really, no. Not identical (since nothing would be except the exact same situation) but certainly very closely related. In fact, findings from previous miscegenation trials are often cited in SSM court cases and findings. Very few mentions of the Trail of Tears or slavery, though.

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Not really, no. In broad terms, the Civil Rights Act protects certain classes of people from hiring discrimination. Homosexuals are not such a class. Comparing the struggle to make them a protected class is directly analogous.
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#622Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 3:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OF course, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. People use miscegenation as a tactic to win their argument. As I said, homosexual supporters and religious people are the two biggest groups of hypocrisy that I know. The goal is to compare what they want to something recent that the nation agrees with, which in this case is black civil rights. If you can make the comparison between SSM and Miscegenation laws, then by default you must treat both the same.
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The fact that the United States judicial system has repeatedly found miscegenation to be a viable and legitimate precedent when discussing SSM and has not found the same for your other examples.

The connection is the legal status quo. If you want to convince people it shouldn't be, that's your job.
#624Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 4:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You mean the same organization that allowed it in the first place?
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Every once in a while, I read like 2 posts from this thread, and I still have no idea what the overall point of it is.
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You mean the same organization that allowed it in the first place?

Yup. And the same organization that later changed it and the same organization that will likely allow for SSM sooner rather than later.

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Well, thanks for missing the point, anyway Smiley: laugh
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#627Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 5:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now you know how I feel.
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I've answered the "Marrying toasters/cats/kids" strawman enough times already. Go back and re-read my answers and pretend I'm saying them now.
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Every once in a while, I read like 2 posts from this thread, and I still have no idea what the overall point of it is.
tl;dr: Alma is an idiot who thinks he's a brilliant debater and people can't resist arguing with him/telling him how wrong he constantly is.

Now you know what's going on in this thread as well as every other thread Alma posts in.
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We're at the end of Presidential campaign where you have two different parties, with two different views on how the nation should be going both claiming the their opponent's views will make us regress or stay in bad shape. Both can't be right.
Why not?

Edit: Also, someone or -ones please rate me down for responding to an Alma post.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2012 8:29pm by Spoonless
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I've answered the "Marrying toasters/cats/kids" strawman enough times already. Go back and re-read my answers and pretend I'm saying them now.


I asked a completely different but similar question, so your previous answers are invalid.

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What are the similarities between the homosexual movement and the black civil rights movement? How are those similarities any different than from the Trail of Tears, slavery, early European immigration, women's rights, Mexicans during the western expansion, the Japanese Americans during WW II, Muslim Americans after 9/11, etc?


NO cats, dogs, animals, toasters, kids,etc.

ANOTHER COP out...

Then I asked you a sub question

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You were 100% right in the comparison of miscegenation laws and ~philia and now you're trying to back peddle. If you still support your previous statement and still believe that there's a comparison with the Black Civil rights and SSM, then logically SSM is similar to ~philia, So, do you support ~philia or are you willing to accept the difference in each struggle?


I only recall you comparing miscegenation laws to ~philia ONCE. I'm simply asking you if you still hold those beliefs? You can't say that SSM laws are similar to miscegenation laws but SSM laws are some how not related to ~philia laws.

I'm asking you to clarify your stance, not hide behind your newly habit of bailing out with weak arguments.

We have NEVER gone over this particular question, because I intentionally didn't respond to your ~philia comment last time with the intention to bring it back up later. This is later. SO, therefor there was no post responding to a non existing post.
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We're at the end of Presidential campaign where you have two different parties, with two different views on how the nation should be going both claiming the their opponent's views will make us regress or stay in bad shape. Both can't be right.
Why not?

Edit: Also, someone or -ones please rate me down for responding to an Alma post.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2012 8:29pm by Spoonless


Because they both contradict each other. They may have partial truths, but they both can not have absolute truth.
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I guess I glossed over part of it. They could both be right about how the nation should be going, and they could both be right about their opponent's views causing it to regress, but all four cases cannot be true at the same time. Apologies. I was focused on the last part of your statement about them claiming that their opponent's views would make us stay in bad shape, in which they could both be right.
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What are the similarities between the homosexual movement and the black civil rights movement?

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How are those similarities any different than from the Trail of Tears, slavery, early European immigration, women's rights, Mexicans during the western expansion, the Japanese Americans during WW II, Muslim Americans after 9/11, etc?

Already answered.
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#635Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 7:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes, they both can be right or wrong on certain aspects, but they clearly contradict each other. One of them will be elected and things may or may not change, but being elected doesn't mean our direction is right. Look at President Bush Jr. His own party shuns him.
#636Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 7:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You have never answered those questions as it's the first time of me asking you. You've answered SIMILAR questions in reference to comparing SSM to kids, toasters, animals, etc. You've also answered HALF of the question by stating your beliefs on how black civil rights and SSM are similar. HOWEVER, that is not my question. You're purposely dissecting the question to point out sections of the questions that you have answered.
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Let me rephrase this for you..

How can ~philia be seen as similar to the Black Civil rights movement but not the homosexual movement IF you believe the homosexual movement is similar to the Black Civil rights movement?


Already answered.
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#638Almalieque, Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 8:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No you haven't. You answered parts of that question separately. YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN WHOLE BECAUSE I NEVER ASKED IT. Who are you trying to fool? I was waiting on the moment to ask this after you mentioned it the first time, so it is impossible for you to convince me that you answered that question or the previous questions. I never responded to it before, so it's impossible. Unless you are referring to another poster on another post.
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I've seen him address this exact issue several times, so I guess way to not pay attention?
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Alma isn't good at putting the parts together, I guess.

He also isn't very good at shaming me, despite how hard he tries Smiley: laugh
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When Alma says no one ever answered his questions, he means no one gave him the answer he wanted. Like gbaji, sort of.
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He expects you to answer the question when he asks it, even if you answered it before if someone else asked it, because it only counts when he asks it, and not if somebody else asked it, or something close enough to it as to be the same thing, but it isn't close enough because he didn't ask it...Or something.
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When Alma says no one ever answered his questions, he means no one gave him the answer he wanted. Like gbaji, sort of.


He's also not adept enough to follow standard flow of debates. If something is answered indirectly, or the answer requires a modicum of interpretation to suss out, then he's not going to pick up on it. His reading comprehension is woeful, even before you get to the willful misunderstanding that he's so fond of.
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Nadenu wrote:
When Alma says no one ever answered his questions, he means no one gave him the answer he wanted. Like gbaji, sort of.
He's also not adept enough to follow standard flow of debates. If something is answered indirectly, or the answer requires a modicum of interpretation to suss out, then he's not going to pick up on it. His reading comprehension is woeful, even before you get to the willful misunderstanding that he's so fond of.
So like gbaji.
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You guys are more dense than I originally thought if you all are buying into that Kool-aid. Jophiel only made the comparison of Black civil rights to ~philia ONCE to me and I purposefully ignored it. So, it is impossible for him to have validated his response because I never asked him to validate it before.

I challenge anyone to find any quote of me asking him to validate his stance on the comparison of Black Civil rights to ~philia being an accurate comparison. Given the fact that I never even thought about that until he recently mentioned it.

If somehow he did mention anything, it would have had to been over two years ago in a response to a different statement.

He said "I've answered the "Marrying toasters/cats/kids" strawman enough times already", but my question did not include any of that. So he admitted to answering a different question. Not only that, nothing he said thus far was anything new that he hasn't said several times already. So, just like last time, how is it "all of the sudden" to redundant to say it again?

That's yet again his selective response.
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I challenge anyone to find any quote of me asking him to validate his stance on the comparison of Black Civil rights to ~philia being an accurate comparison.
I previously wrote:
Perhaps instead of asking what makes the "black civil right" struggle like it and deciding it's not special enough to compare, you can just ask what makes it like the "civil rights" struggle.

CHALLENGE WON! Smiley: clap

Ok, so that's actually my original response rather than him asking for yadda yadda. But it validates my "Already answered" so I call it a win.

Edited, Oct 24th 2012 9:35am by Jophiel
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#647 Oct 24 2012 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
When Alma says no one ever answered his questions, he means no one gave him the answer he wanted. Like gbaji, sort of.
He's also not adept enough to follow standard flow of debates. If something is answered indirectly, or the answer requires a modicum of interpretation to suss out, then he's not going to pick up on it. His reading comprehension is woeful, even before you get to the willful misunderstanding that he's so fond of.
So like gbaji.


I give gbaji a little more credit. He seems to usually understand what others say, then inartfully dodges away from it. Fallacies are his modus operandi, not an inability to read or write.

I mean this, for example:

Alma, as quoted by Joph wrote:
I challenge anyone to find any quote of me asking him to validate his stance on the comparison of Black Civil rights to ~philia being an accurate comparison.


...is a really, really stupid sentence. Here, Alma sets the exchange up for failure before it's even begun by constructing this nonsensical mess of bizarro-grammar.

I don't know how Joph culled any meaning out of it, but I'd bet anything that Alma will take issue with his understanding of it. And the cycle continues...

Edited, Oct 24th 2012 10:29am by Eske
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#649 Oct 24 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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How can ~philia be seen as similar to the Black Civil rights movement but not the homosexual movement IF you believe the homosexual movement is similar to the Black Civil rights movement?


Jophiel wrote:
Perhaps instead of asking what makes the "black civil right" struggle like it and deciding it's not special enough to compare, you can just ask what makes it like the "civil rights" struggle.

You didn't answer the question, you proposed me to rephrase the question. That is the opposite of answering it.

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Ok, so that's actually my original response rather than him asking for yadda yadda. But it validates my "Already answered" so I call it a win.


NO, you responded to the question, you didn't answer the question.

Me: What's your favorite meal?

You: Maybe you should ask "what's your favorite food"

Me: No, because I'm specifically wanting to know your favorite complete meal, not your favorite piece of meat, vegetable, fruit, etc.. So, what's your favorite meal?

You: I answered your question.

So, the challenge still remains... or better yet, just answer the question.
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Me: What's your favorite meal?

You: Ribeye Steak.

Me: No, because I'm specifically wanting to know your favorite complete meal, not your favorite piece of meat, vegetable, fruit, etc.. So, what's your favorite meal?

You: I answered your question.


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When Alma says no one ever answered his questions, he means no one gave him the answer he wanted. Like gbaji, sort of.

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