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#1 Aug 17 2012 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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Not surprised to not see any news on this, but apparently this guy pulled a "abortion clinic" attack (with 15 CFA sandwiches) on the Family Council and is being considered as a possible terrorist attack.

What say you?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20120817_Man_charged_in_attack_on_conservative_site.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-fired-family-research-council-carried-15-chick-fil-a-sandwiches-ammo-backpack-article-1.1137935

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/alamogordo-nm/T5KQLOFGME09U5NA2

#2 Aug 17 2012 at 7:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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You mean news here or news in general? I've seen plenty of news in general about it.

I wouldn't read too much into it not being posted here. No one mentioned the Colorado Batman shooting until ThiefX made a thread just to whine about liberals. No one has posted a thing about the Sikh temple shooting by the white supremacist.

Anyway, my opinion is the same as it was for those events -- dangerous lunatics, be they right wing, left wing or neither, shouldn't be walking around with guns.
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#3 Aug 17 2012 at 7:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

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Samira wrote:
I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.
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#6 Aug 17 2012 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyway, my opinion is the same as it was for those events -- dangerous lunatics, be they right wing, left wing or neither, shouldn't be walking around with guns.


Shame on you, turning this tragedy into an attack on gun ownership.
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Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.

On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.


Boycott, bah. You never hear about girlcotts.



Because we can't not shop, don't be stupid.
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#8 Aug 17 2012 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.
The fatty needed sustenance.
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Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
I'm not clear on why he had sandwiches with him.
On top of being a nut, he also failed to understand the concept of a boycott.

I take that back. Seeing seen his shirtless photo, I have solved the mystery of why he'd have 15 chicken sandwiches.

Edited, Aug 17th 2012 8:49pm by Jophiel
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Poor thing must have been unhinged by sexual frustration and the betrayal of his beloved. Although why any *** man would eat anything that sounds like "chick filler" is beyond me.

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I'd wager that 4/5 Nixnots agree that the best filler is the kind that usually likes to put it in chicks.
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It might sound like chick filler, but there's no denying they're cockmeat sandwiches.
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#13 Aug 17 2012 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Not surprised to not see any news on this, but apparently this guy pulled a "abortion clinic" attack (with 15 CFA sandwiches) on the Family Council and is being considered as a possible terrorist attack.

What say you?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20120817_Man_charged_in_attack_on_conservative_site.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-fired-family-research-council-carried-15-chick-fil-a-sandwiches-ammo-backpack-article-1.1137935

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/alamogordo-nm/T5KQLOFGME09U5NA2

Some nut shot a guy. To say anything more, or to politicize this is just sensationalizing. This forum is typically to lazy to bother with sensation.
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#14Almalieque, Posted: Aug 17 2012 at 9:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I meant in general. When I didn't see any posts about the olympics until well after the fact, I can tell that threads here aren't always necessarily political driven. Unless it's SSM..... >.>
#15 Aug 18 2012 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Speaking of this, it's hilarious how some of the news organizations (or maybe just the overly perky woman I saw on CNN) are all "this guy shot a dude, and that's wrong, but the Southern Poverty Law Center calls them a hate group, so they probably deserved it!"

If one interest group calls another one names, clearly it's national news.
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#16 Aug 19 2012 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently it's totally unacceptable to call a hate group a hate group. When you have organizations labeling people as subhuman, dangerous, or unamerican, the unhinged people whether they are on the right or left are going to take violence to them. Perfect example of this is the increase in violence and hate speech towards the Muslim and Sikh community.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/201281711826930331.html

It isn't acceptable towards any group. Violence is violence and it should be condemned whether verbal or physical. The man that shot the security guard should definitely be in jail and prison if convicted. A killer is a killer is a killer no matter their political or social views.
#17Almalieque, Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 9:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1. Did the FRC label homosexuals this way or are you just assuming that because they don't support SSM?
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Almalieque wrote:
Paskil wrote:
Apparently it's totally unacceptable to call a hate group a hate group.


In this case, the concern is calling a "non-hate" group a "hate" group. I'm not going to officially say that the FRC is not a hate group, but given what has been provided so far without any research, clearly FRC is not a hate group and people are just upset that they don't support homosexuality.

Not supporting your lifestyle != hate group. There has to be more than that.

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When you have organizations labeling people as subhuman, dangerous, or unamerican, the unhinged people whether they are on the right or left are going to take violence to them. Perfect example of this is the increase in violence and hate speech towards the Muslim and Sikh community.


1. Did the FRC label homosexuals this way or are you just assuming that because they don't support SSM?

2. Your statement is proven false by your own link at 1:15.


Many hateful and misleading things have been said about homosexuals by the FRC.

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“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

“[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

“One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize @#%^philes as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
-1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize *** with Boys.

“[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of *** men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
— Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

“While activists like to claim that @#%^philia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010


Those are just a few of the hateful, ridiculous claims this group has made over the last decade.

*** marriage is the issue du jour at the moment. It is the issue riling up the left at this time, hence the potential of the FRC attack being considered domestic terrorism. Take a look at the rants from the right against the left: Islam, Homosexuals, Guns...Where do you see recent bullying and attacks cropping up? Things that involve these issues from the right.

To be honest, I'm surprised NOM has this video up on their youtube channel. It makes them look ridiculous for defending a known hate group.

Edited, Aug 19th 2012 11:26pm by Paskil
#19Almalieque, Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would have to actually see that stuff in context for a better understanding.
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Almalieque wrote:
Society has to accept the fact that there are lifestyles that people just don't like and or accept and stop trying to be political about everything.

Politics are the means by which societies decide what they're going to accept or not. By their very nature, societies are political.
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#21 Aug 19 2012 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would have to actually see that stuff in context for a better understanding.


Understand that the people whom said it are ***** & that by saying these kind of things they're trying to drum up support for their cause by: using a slippery slope argument, lying, using fear, misleading purposefully to pursue an agenda, & inciting hatred. Ya know, using hate speech?

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The fact that you even consider that "hateful" can be seen as contradictory and ironic as you're treating "children lovers" the same way society treats homosexuals


Child lovers hurt children, *******. *** people don't anymore than straight people, virgins in the military, or furries, do. I find furries creepy, but unless they go full K9 there's nothing wrong with what they do in the bedroom. Being overly concerned about it would be kind of weird though. Like you're kinda weird with your ****-hard on.

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That has been why I don't focus on the "end result", i.e. SSM, but how we obtain it. Society has to accept the fact that there are lifestyles that people just don't like and or accept and stop trying to be political about everything.


You don't have to like it, just stop being such a **** about it. I think furries are creepy, but they aren't hurting anyone, so why worry about it? WHy do you, personally, have such a hard-on for the gays? If you're secretly worried you might be ***, there's a test you can take: suck a ****- if you like it, you're probably into dudes.
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#22 Aug 20 2012 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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Not supporting your lifestyle != hate group. There has to be more than that.

Without trying to imply anything about this specific case, I want to simply point out that bigots don't think of themselves as bigots.

As a simple example, go to http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ and browse, just browse. I think it has a fair shot of being worth your time. You can gain a lot knowledge about specific techniques people use to justify and rationalize their actions.
#23Almalieque, Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 4:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Omega, I'll address you later when I have more time.
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Simply calling people bigots don't make you right. That's a form of terrorism in itself


Yeah, I'm sure the people in Israel would totally agree that calling someone a bigot is on the same level as dodging mortars in the street Smiley: dubious
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#25 Aug 20 2012 at 4:38 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
We went over this already. Simply calling people bigots don't make you right.

Never said it did.
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Bigots know that they are bigots, they just don't want accept it.

That's a fairly contradictory statement there, but I think it you're still somewhat agreeing with me. If they're in denial about their bigotry, then they don't see themselves as bigots.

It's pretty basic psychology. People don't like seeing themselves in a negative light. There are two ways to reduce that cognitive dissonance, either people change their actions to match their opinions or they change their opinions to match their actions. Racist people don't go around doing racist things while thinking about how racist they are and what terrible people they are. They go around thinking about how their racist actions are making the world a better place for themselves, their children, or whatever other justifying reasons they've invented.

That's just basic human modus operandi.

Edited, Aug 20th 2012 5:39am by Allegory
#26 Aug 20 2012 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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Paskil wrote:
The man that shot the security guard should definitely be in jail and prison if convicted.
Was there even any argument against that?
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