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#52 Aug 11 2012 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Election's over. Thanks for making it trivial to set up the out of touch rich v middle class dynamic guys. The only way it would have been easier was if you morons had run a Thurston Howell III/Scrooge McDuck ticket. Ryan is a good 25 second sound byte, but that's literally as deep as it goes.



Out of curiosity, whom would you have picked (assuming you wanted Romney to win)? I've been mulling it over for weeks and I could never decide. Is the field really that thin, or the "base" really that hard to figure?



They initially stated they were going for a "boring white guy" because of the lessons learned from Palin. About the only person who fits that who was in the running was Pawlenty (who is probably now having a sad.) With Ryan, they got the "white guy" part right, but instead of boring, they tried for "exciting." Unfortunately, he's exciting in many ways, including ways that are not what the Republicans needed.
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#53 Aug 11 2012 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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It's pretty much a given that the Ryan pick represents a feeling that Romney wasn't holding his base. Traditionally, you pick a VP who fills some of the holes in your resume. Ryan is a complete hand-over to the conservative base who had been demanding in recent weeks that he get the slot.

The flip side of this is that whatever pretend-moderate stances Romney might have taken are tossed out the window. He has aligned himself with an unpopular budget that dismantles Medicare and refuses to raise revenues to combat the nation's debt/deficit problems. Obama had been hoping to run against Ryan and now he has his chance.

I don't know if Romney had a "better" option available. He was losing the election and a forgettable VP pick wasn't going to make him lose any less. But Romney is pretty boring and forgettable himself and this race may well turn into Obama vs Ryan just as last election was dominated by Obama vs Palin with McCain slipping towards the back. Ryan isn't Palin in that he can probably conduct himself better, is smarter and hopefully can name what newspapers he reads but Romney (intentionally or not) has just sidelined himself in relevance this campaign.

Edit: Oh, and the Ryan pick has no chance of winning Wisconsin unless the midwestern swing states and Electoral College were going to flip anyway. He's not going to flip the state six or seven points.

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#54 Aug 11 2012 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Roll Call wrote:
The tax plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), the newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate, would have slashed Mitt Romney's effective tax rate to about 1 percent in 2010, based on Romney's tax return that year, according to a Roll Call analysis.

In case anyone doubted that Ryan was the pick the Obama camp was praying for.
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#55 Aug 11 2012 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome! Now they'll just have to figure out where the money's going to come from instead, maybe plundering other countries? Mitt already wants to fight Iran anyway so why not do both?
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#56 Aug 11 2012 at 7:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome! Now they'll just have to figure out where the money's going to come from instead, maybe plundering other countries? Mitt already wants to fight Iran anyway so why not do both?


Ryan's budget plan stated this would be done by closing loopholes. When pressed to name one, he couldn't. The $5 trillion in savings literally comes from fairy dust. This passed the house, btw.

Paul Krugman wrote:
$4.6 trillion is the size of the mystery meat in the budget. Ryan proposes tax cuts that would cost $4.6 trillion over the next decade relative to current policy—that is, relative even to making the Bush tax cuts permanent—but claims that his plan is revenue neutral, because he would make up the revenue loss by closing loopholes. For example, he would … well, actually, he refuses to name a single example of a loophole he wants to close.

So the budget is a fraud. No, it's not "imperfect", it's not a bit shaky on the numbers; it's completely based on almost $5 trillion dollars of alleged revenue that are pure fabrication.

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#57 Aug 11 2012 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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we don't need taxes, cuz we don't need government. We'll all be on our best behavior and look out for one another we'll ride unicorns instead of dirty cars.
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#58 Aug 11 2012 at 9:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Out of curiosity, whom would you have picked (assuming you wanted Romney to win)? I've been mulling it over for weeks and I could never decide. Is the field really that thin, or the "base" really that hard to figure?


Offhand, I'd say Rubio gives him a better chance, but it's a fairly open secret that he has very low hanging fruit on the opp research tree (probably bad news for him for his relection campaign, congrats on being vetted for VP, esse. Also, you know, he's a brown guy, and the potential gaffes of Romney handing him his car keys at the convention, of Romney calling him "boy"...well, you get the idea.

This was a bad time for them to have to make this decision, I don't envy the analysts. Really the right thing to do was to wait and announce at the convention and see if they somehow could turn around some of the softness in the numbers. That aside, while it's easy to see the superficial logic behind Ryan, it's an extremely high risk proposition. There is no viable "Ryan Plan". Literally. It's a talking point. Maybe that's enough these days, obviously voters don't actually read position papers or the like, they just want to know there's something. The problem is, and this is really staggering when you consider it, that the GOP came up with (possibly the only) a VP challenger that Biden it going to absolutely destroy with working class whites. Biden's a weak VP, a detriment to the campaign in many ways, I felt that way when he was announced, I feel that way now. He does a few strong "moves" in a political sense, though, and those primarily revolve around his ability to to project empathy for working class baby boomers and their fears about retirement, growing old, and whatever those self entitles whiny ******** are afraid of these days.

As strengths go this is really fairly useless...UNLESS, you prop a Costello to his Abbot (baby boomers are old, get it?) in the form of some cartoonish slick haired 40 year old douchebag who talks about ending medicare and social security, and looks like the younger ******* most of them end working for in their later years who ignores their accomplishments and takes credit for their work.

But I mean, really, what are the odds of that happening?

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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome!

I wouldn't say no taxes...
The Atlantic wrote:
Under Paul Ryan's plan, Mitt Romney wouldn't pay any taxes for the next ten years -- or any of the years after that. Now, do I know that that's true. Yes, I'm certain.

Well, maybe not quite nothing. In 2010 -- the only year we have seen a full return from him -- Romney would have paid an effective tax rate of around 0.82 percent under the Ryan plan, rather than the 13.9 percent he actually did. How would someone with more than $21 million in taxable income pay so little? Well, the vast majority of Romney's income came from capital gains, interest, and dividends. And Ryan wants to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends.
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It might seem impossible to fund the government when the super-rich pay no taxes. That is accurate. Ryan would actually raise taxes on the bottom 30 percent of earners, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, but that hardly fills the revenue hole he would create. The solution? All but eliminate all government outside of Social Security and defense
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#60 Aug 12 2012 at 2:19 AM Rating: Excellent
My fiance mentioned Rubio was kind of hot, so I told them about his thoughts on her ******. That settled that.

And honestly, I guess they're just hoping everyone forgets about the whole losings lots of woman voters during their primary 'cause Ryan really doesn't help them there. The big question is who wins the popularity contest in the wake of citizen's united & how crazy the adds get because of all that $. And, given that the people with the most money would benifit the most by the Romney-Ryan ticket...

Oh what am I saying, Romney's gonna fuck it up somehow.
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#61 Aug 12 2012 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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#62 Aug 12 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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"If Abedin is in fact a Muslim Brotherhood plant spreading sharia law in the United States, she's using unorthodox methods: posing provocatively for a Vogue spread, [...]


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#63 Aug 12 2012 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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Bachmann's office sent out a speech Friday given by conservative scholar and former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy, who says Bachmann and four other Republicans in Congress "actually understated the case" against Clinton aide Huma Abedin.


You can't make this shit up. Smiley: lol
#64 Aug 13 2012 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sadly, there's no need to make this Shit up.

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#65 Aug 13 2012 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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According to a tweet from last night (hey look! I use Twitter now too!), Darrell Issa and the House Oversight Committee will be filing charges against Attorney General Eric Holder today, in an attempt to force him to turn over more Fast & Furious documentation.
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#66 Aug 13 2012 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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You follow Darrell Issa?
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If it were me, I'd send those crappy Vin Diesel movies on blank dvds.
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Ick, **** no. But now I'm on Twitter Smiley: smile
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#69 Aug 13 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm following you. Entertain me.
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#70 Aug 13 2012 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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#71 Aug 13 2012 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a certain wry amusement to be found in the GOP decrying how mean Obama has been... and then immediately going with the Lee Atwater style dog-whistle racism ads about welfare.

The Southern Strategy lives on!
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To be fair, it's because my new ZAM overlord said we should. I'll mostly just be posting articles and stuff to it. And then getting drunk from time to time and putting up my best Anthony Wiener impersonations.
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#73 Aug 13 2012 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I use my account for riveting drunk games of "Starfish or Asshole."
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I honestly regret every bad thing I ever said about it; it's let me converse with people in the gaming industry that I'd never have a direct line to otherwise.

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#75 Aug 13 2012 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Finally, I have a way to talk to Locke!
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#76 Aug 13 2012 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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Finally, I have a way to talk to Locke!


It's nice to be able to look down on Joph from my lofty 194 tweet lead.

Now to work on that 48,000 post deficit....
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