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#152 Jul 25 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
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The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about.
I bet you're totally gnarly with those kids at the paintball range, bro.
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#153 Jul 25 2012 at 11:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about.

Do you want to tell this man he's wrong?

#154 Jul 26 2012 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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"Long rifle" is the name of a specific type of 18th century firearm. That's the long and short of it.

I think gbaji's "firing range buddies" are those journalists who can't tell the difference between an AK-47 and an M-16.
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#155 Jul 26 2012 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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I think gbaji's "firing range buddies" are those journalists who can't tell the difference between an AK-47 and an M-16.


I think they're those anonymous friends that Almalieque always cites who "totally agree with him".

I'm amused to see gbaji starting to follow his "I'm right about long rifles" argument with a "It doesn't matter anyway" chaser, as if we'd be having this argument if he wasn't too stubborn to just admit to an error.

I just spent 6 days as a juror on a trial involving assault rifles being told what's what about guns by police, weapons experts, and state prosecutors. The notion that gbaji's better equipped for this debate because he knows a couple of rednecks is a laugh.
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#156 Jul 26 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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We prefer "head support sunblock deprived".

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#157 Jul 26 2012 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
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Eske Esquire wrote:
I'm amused to see gbaji starting to follow his "I'm right about long rifles" argument with a "It doesn't matter anyway" chaser, as if we'd be having this argument if he wasn't too stubborn to just admit to an error.


I never said that the phrase I used was some super official industry term. I simply stated that in the context of my post, the words I used were sufficient for any reasonable person to understand what I was talking about. Descriptively speaking, a "long rifle" is a weapon with a long rifled barrel. In fact, that's exactly why those antique weapons were/are called long rifles as well. My error (which I've admitted several times now) was in using a descriptive phrase which also matched a label used for a completely out of context set of weapons and assuming people would understand what I was talking about.

It's a pretty silly thing to get all worked up about, given that the actual point I was making was completely valid.

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I just spent 6 days as a juror on a trial involving assault rifles being told what's what about guns by police, weapons experts, and state prosecutors. The notion that gbaji's better equipped for this debate because he knows a couple of rednecks is a laugh.


While I suppose some of them might have been rednecks at some point, most of my gun owning friends are former (or current) military.
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#158 Jul 26 2012 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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And here I thought it was a term that all your gun enthusiast buddies used and anyone who knows anything at all about guns would use...

Except anyone anywhere else since it's not a super official term.
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#160 Jul 26 2012 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Is it trying to communicate with me? I have it on ignore.
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#161 Jul 26 2012 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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My summoning skills are weak. I can only conjure Alma by name. Smiley: glare

Is it trying to communicate with me? I have it on ignore.


He made a rambling and largely unintelligble post in response to your "imaginary friends" accusation. I've only read it once, so I only understand about 7.3% of it.
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#162 Jul 26 2012 at 3:44 PM Rating: Default
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And here I thought it was a term that all your gun enthusiast buddies used and anyone who knows anything at all about guns would use...


No. I said that it's a term that (in context) all my gun enthusiast buddies would have understood and known exactly what set of firearms I was talking about.

Communication is about the other person understanding what you mean. The fact that a phrase used can also mean something else which makes no sense in the context given is not an excuse to ignore the quite obvious intended meaning. You suggested banning just the weapons used in the attack. There were three types used in said attack. I then listed off three types of weapons and asked how we could ban all examples of all three of those types without running afoul of the 2nd amendment. Now unless you honestly thought I believed that this guy used an antique rifle in the attack, there was no reason for you to think that's what I was referring to. Any reasonable person should have been able to noodle out what I meant. I mean, three weapons. Three types listed. It's not exactly rocket science here.

There's a difference between someone saying something you don't understand, and you deliberately looking for an interpretation that doesn't make sense.
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#163 Jul 26 2012 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why not just limit the open carry laws to allow <= 12 rnd mags in areas where people congregate, and let metal detectors do the heavy lifting for you. They can still have whatever they desire up to field artillery on thier private property.
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#164 Jul 26 2012 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
And here I thought it was a term that all your gun enthusiast buddies used and anyone who knows anything at all about guns would use...


No. I said that it's a term that (in context) all my gun enthusiast buddies would have understood and known exactly what set of firearms I was talking about.

Communication is about the other person understanding what you mean. The fact that a phrase used can also mean something else which makes no sense in the context given is not an excuse to ignore the quite obvious intended meaning. You suggested banning just the weapons used in the attack. There were three types used in said attack. I then listed off three types of weapons and asked how we could ban all examples of all three of those types without running afoul of the 2nd amendment. Now unless you honestly thought I believed that this guy used an antique rifle in the attack, there was no reason for you to think that's what I was referring to. Any reasonable person should have been able to noodle out what I meant. I mean, three weapons. Three types listed. It's not exactly rocket science here.

There's a difference between someone saying something you don't understand, and you deliberately looking for an interpretation that doesn't make sense.

So you and your little clique have your own special names for things and don't understand when the rest of the world uses the proper terms?
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gbaji wrote:
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And here I thought it was a term that all your gun enthusiast buddies used and anyone who knows anything at all about guns would use...


No. I said that it's a term that (in context) all my gun enthusiast buddies would have understood and known exactly what set of firearms I was talking about.


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You guys keep tossing facts out there like they mean something.


#166 Jul 26 2012 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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Good luck with that.

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He believes that there is no gain in discussing other peoples' views. I responded that is only true if you're closed minded.


Or if you're some autistic freak who feels the compulsion to fellate himself by making other people feel stupid by intimidating them with uncomfortable conversation. What a joy you must be to work with. I bet no one feels uncomfortable when you're near!
#167 Jul 27 2012 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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However, the conversations don't really go anywhere because he doesn't like arguing. He believes that there is no gain in discussing other peoples' views. I responded that is only true if you're closed minded.


I think it depends on what you get out of the conversation itself. If you see it as entertainment, and he sees it as confrontation, then you're never going to agree on this. He may or may not be close-minded; I have no idea. He may just realize that there's a 0.00001% chance of either of you changing the others' mind, and he may be uninterested in pursuing an endless circular argument.
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He may just realize that there's a 0.00001% chance of either of you changing the others' mind, and he may be uninterested in pursuing an endless circular argument.


Well thank God there's nobody like that here...
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You guys keep tossing facts out there like they mean something.


#169 Jul 27 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Communication is about the other person understanding what you mean. The fact that a phrase used can also mean something else which makes no sense in the context given is not an excuse to ignore the quite obvious intended meaning.


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Surveyor's symbols *are* targets. Bullseyes are targets. And crosshairs are targets. None of which absolutely indicate anything having to do with firearms, unless one deliberately decides to interpret them in that context. Same thing with reload. I looked at the tweet, and it seemed obvious to me that she was telling people to reload the page so that they could see new updates as they arrived.


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#170 Jul 27 2012 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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Not one of gbaji's finer moments (or his finest, if you are into that sort of thing).
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#171 Jul 27 2012 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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Not one of gbaji's finer moments (or his finest, if you are into that sort of thing).


I dunno, his cross thread policy moment was pretty good too.
#172 Jul 28 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
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I've only read it once, so I only understand about 7.3% of it.

Testimony of your own intelligence. Smiley: schooled

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Almalieque wrote:
the last thing I want is an EO complaint.


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Good luck with that.


Yea, it sounds bad, but that's how she relates herself. I only said "Jewish", because most religious people don't have such "liberal" views.

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He believes that there is no gain in discussing other peoples' views. I responded that is only true if you're closed minded.


Or if you're some autistic freak who feels the compulsion to fellate himself by making other people feel stupid by intimidating them with uncomfortable conversation. What a joy you must be to work with. I bet no one feels uncomfortable when you're near!


I'm not at all. I learned earlier in life that not everyone likes to argue, but this is different. He believes that everyone is so stuck on their beliefs that there isn't anything anyone can say to change their views,so having any discussion on any topic is worthless. I simply countered that is only true if you're close minded. If you engage a discussion with the thought that you might be wrong and you are willing to adjust your views, then those discussions can and will have value.
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