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#1 Jun 30 2012 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
Linky.

In all seriousness, I don't think that the south is entirely to blame for this mindset. It seems to also be prevalent in most rural areas of the country, not just southern states. Still, it makes me wonder if rural areas would have this mindset without the outside influence of the south?

It really does make me wonder what this country would be like if we had let the south secede. Would we be more like Canada or Europe? Would we have gone in a completely different direction? What would "they" be like?

Still, when I read articles like this, it really makes me want to move to a different country and never come back. Politics in this country are frightening.
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#2 Jun 30 2012 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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We can't just let the South secede; if we're gonna split it's gonna be more dramatic. There are several different societies that would be better off on their own: New England as a whole; New York; California and the rest of the West Coast; the mid-west, then Flyover Country.
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#3 Jun 30 2012 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
Oh, I agree that we'd be better served separating into regional countries. The title is just what came to mind after I read the article. I wasn't saying we should let the south secede NOW. I just wonder how different we'd be now, if we had let them secede during the civil war.
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Nothing says respectable, no-nonsense political commentary like AlterNet. Smiley: laugh
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#5 Jun 30 2012 at 11:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mean, for the most part, it's a bunch of Lawyers using the BS & money they learned & earned via their chosen profession to BS people into re-electing them.

The job they're elected to do, mind you, comes second to the above.

Edited, Jul 1st 2012 1:06am by Omegavegeta
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After the mess they made down there I refuse to be associated with them in any hypothetical post-apocalyptic scenario.
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#7 Jul 01 2012 at 3:40 AM Rating: Decent
Okay, that's a fair point.

Still, I like California, and I'm originally from there, so it's hard for me to write them off completely.
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Man, no kidding. That was just unspeakable.

I'm somewhat amused by the fact that apparently George Sr. was a benign Northern patriarch, whereas his son is a brutal Simon Legree. And it's the fault of having been elected to political office in Texas as an adult.

That's some powerful juju, there. I don't think you can defeat that.
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#9 Jul 01 2012 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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I keep thinking, once all the old folks of today die off, we won't have this problem anymore-- save for a few fringe loonies.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 12:04am by Kuwoobie
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#10 Jul 01 2012 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pretty sure every generation has clung to that hope. How's that workin' out so far?
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I keep thinking, once all the old folks of today die off, we won't have this problem anymore-- save for a few fringe loonies.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 12:04am by Kuwoobie


Problem is that people are waiting for this to occur naturally, when we really need to take a more active role. We as a nation need to close every early morning breakfast buffet there is, without their food supply the elderly are helpless.
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I keep thinking, once all the old folks of today die off, we won't have this problem anymore-- save for a few fringe loonies.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 12:04am by Kuwoobie


Problem is that people are waiting for this to occur naturally, when we really need to take a more active role. We as a nation need to close every early morning breakfast buffet there is, without their food supply the elderly are helpless.


But if South Park is any mirror of the real world, won't that lead to mass elderly driver related casualties?
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Pretty sure every generation has clung to that hope. How's that workin' out so far?


I once read something somewhere that said "the liberals of today are the conservatives of tomorrow."

Some day, our grandchildren will weird us out with strange new ideas and label us old-fashioned barbarians.
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#14 Jul 01 2012 at 7:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Clearly, the answer is to simply destroy the nation's supply of denim. The South will never be able to survive!
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As a liberal Southern, let me just say that we're as frustrated and annoyed as the rest of the country. And our own people hate us. Jim Whitehead, who narrowly lost to Representative Paul Broun (R GA), claimed that if he was elected he'd blow up UGA except for the football team. (As much as we despise Broun, he at least lives here in Athens and knows where his bread is buttered....) Why? Because UGA, and Athens by extension, is a liberal bastion of education and people who aren't brainwashed into thinking GW Bush was the second coming.

If the South does secede, we demand to be included as an honorary northern state.
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Clearly, the answer is to simply destroy the nation's supply of denim. The South will never be able to survive!

lolwut?

The only stereotype I can think of is overalls and Daisy Dukes. And do people still wear either of those? The Daisy Dukes, maybe... but with this heat wave, no one down here is wearing denim if they can help it.
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Clearly, the answer is to simply destroy the nation's supply of denim. The South will never be able to survive!

lolwut?

The only stereotype I can think of is overalls and Daisy Dukes. And do people still wear either of those? The Daisy Dukes, maybe... but with this heat wave, no one down here is wearing denim if they can help it.


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What?? Granted, I don't wear my denim jacket much anymore but I'd be lost without my bluejeans!
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Clearly, the answer is to simply destroy the nation's supply of denim. The South will never be able to survive!

lolwut?

The only stereotype I can think of is overalls and Daisy Dukes. And do people still wear either of those? The Daisy Dukes, maybe... but with this heat wave, no one down here is wearing denim if they can help it.


What, never heard of the Texas Tuxedo?

Texas might be in the south, but they're their own thing over there. Buncha freaks.
#20 Jul 02 2012 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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When did Texas become part of the South? I thought it was more South-Westy. Have I been in denial all this time?
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When did Texas become part of the South? I thought it was more South-Westy. Have I been in denial all this time?

Texas has always kind of epitomized The South for me.
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I'm somewhat amused by the fact that apparently George Sr. was a benign Northern patriarch, whereas his son is a brutal Simon Legree.
Junior was just trying to live up to daddy's image.
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When did Texas become part of the South? I thought it was more South-Westy. Have I been in denial all this time?


When I think Southwest, I think AZ. As the big ol' center of the South, I think Texas fits comfortably under the moniker.
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When I think Texas, I think cowboy hats instead of lace parasols so I think of it was a western state.

I also formed my opinion of the states based on how they looked in 1870.
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I think F Troop, where wild Native Italians roam the forests and soldiers cross dress in funny hats.
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Pacific coast states are west. Everything on the other side of the mountains is midwest, until you hit the Mississippi, then you're pretty much east coast. Smiley: nod
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Pacific coast states are west. Everything on the other side of the mountains is midwest, until you hit the Mississippi, then you're pretty much east coast. Smiley: nod

Nooo, you're not east til the at least the western border of PA.

I consider the Midwest MN, N/SD, WI, OH, IL, IN, IA, NE. Michigan is not included in the midwest because they're weirdos. Sometimes Missouri is midwest but other times not.
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Pacific coast states are California.

Correct.
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Pacific coast states are not stupidly hot right now.


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Pretty nice here today, too. In the sense that I wouldn't mind going outside unlike last week where I sent out the minions.
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Pacific coast states are not stupidly hot right now.
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I know. Those California people are always talking about the weather over there.
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Pacific coast states are not stupidly hot right now.


Smiley: nod


Well at least until the Colorado fire finally gets to them.
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Then they'll have something else to finally talk about.
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Pacific coast states are not stupidly hot right now.


Smiley: nod


Well at least until the Colorado fire finally gets to them.
Cali is only holding onto the US by a wing and a prayer. They can just let go and float free of the fires, the zombies and the tea party.

**** and Californians - can't kill um, can't live with um.
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When I think of the South, I think of Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina.... You know, Hicksville.
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What's with all the California hate? They make really **** good beer out there, it'd be a waste to throw all that away!
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When I think of the South, I think of Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina.... You know, Hicksville.

I think of Aztecs, Inca, Mayans...
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When I think of the South, I think of Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina.... You know, Hicksville.

I think of Aztecs, Inca, Mayans...


I think of Penguins, Orcas, Ice...
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I'm thinking Arby's.
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When I think of the South, I think of Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina.... You know, Hicksville.
I think of Aztecs, Inca, Mayans...
I think of Penguins, Orcas, Ice...

That's what the Inca used to hunt. They were known as the Golden Eskimos to the Spanish. Rowing their solid gold kayaks out from the ice floes, harpooning penguins with their obsidian harpoons and making rudimentary scrimshaw toy wheels from the penguin beaks.
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When I think of the South, I think of Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina.... You know, Hicksville.
I think of Aztecs, Inca, Mayans...
I think of Penguins, Orcas, Ice...

That's what the Inca used to hunt. They were known as the Golden Eskimos to the Spanish. Rowing their solid gold kayaks out from the ice floes, harpooning penguins with their obsidian harpoons and making rudimentary scrimshaw toy wheels from the penguin beaks.


Smiley: lol Might be my favorite Joph post since this one.
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What's with all the California hate? They make really **** good beer out there, it'd be a waste to throw all that away!


I don't get it either. I think California is awesome. Aside from how crazy expensive it is to live there. Even in rural areas, there's some statewide things that are just ridiculous. Like car registration. You have to pay every year, and the fee is determined based on what your car is worth. So if you have a brand new car, you're going to be paying a lot to register it for the first five years or so. Oregon does things much better in that sense. We have a flat rate of $80 something, and we pay every two years. Of course, if you have a piece of **** car like I do, you probably pay less down in California, but you still have to pay every year, which is dumb. Just an increase of annoyance and paper work.

Maybe they hate California because that's where gbaji lives?
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Maybe they hate California because that's where gbaji lives?

Fortunately for the Golden State, Samira has a mitigating effect.

Their tourism commercials suck though.
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California has Stone, Russian River, Green Flash, Anderson Valley, AleSmith, Anchor and so much more. That makes up for a lot of bad sh*t, if only because you can get absolutely smashed every day on amazing beer and not drink the same beer for a long time.

Edit: Oregon has a lot of good breweries too though. The West Coast in general seems to be a hot bed for great breweries.

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What's with all the California hate? They make really **** good beer out there, it'd be a waste to throw all that away!


I don't get it either. I think California is awesome. Aside from how crazy expensive it is to live there. Even in rural areas, there's some statewide things that are just ridiculous. Like car registration. You have to pay every year, and the fee is determined based on what your car is worth. So if you have a brand new car, you're going to be paying a lot to register it for the first five years or so. Oregon does things much better in that sense. We have a flat rate of $80 something, and we pay every two years. Of course, if you have a piece of sh*t car like I do, you probably pay less down in California, but you still have to pay every year, which is dumb. Just an increase of annoyance and paper work.



Here in IL, it's now $100 / year flat rate. Talk about ridiculous.
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Ugh, that IS ridiculous. Are they trying to cut down on traffic in Chicago or something?
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Ugh, that IS ridiculous. Are they trying to cut down on traffic in Chicago or something?

No clue, I live in the part of IL that isn't Chicago.
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The suburbs? Smiley: confused
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No clue, I live in the part of IL that isn't Chicago.

The suburbs? Smiley: confused

No the corn fields.
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