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#1 May 10 2012 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Science asks: Is your alarm clock making you fat?

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The study concerns a phenomenon called "social jetlag." That's the extent to which our natural sleep patterns are out of synch with our school or work schedules. Take the weekends: many of us wake up hours later than we do during the week, only to resume our early schedules come Monday morning. It's enough to make your body feel like it's spending the weekend in one time zone and the week in another.

But is social jetlag actually bad for your health? To investigate, chronobiologist Till Roenneberg at the University of Munich in Germany and colleagues compiled data from tens of thousands of responses to an internet survey on sleep patterns and other behaviors. Previous work with such data has already yielded some clues. "We have shown that if you live against your body clock, you're more likely to smoke, to drink alcohol, and drink far more coffee," says Roenneberg.

... While previous studies have shown a link between sleep duration and obesity, the new work highlights the importance of sleep timing, says Kristen Knutson, a sleep researcher at the University of Chicago in Illinois. "We've known for a while that shift workers are associated with increased health risks, and shift workers have extreme variability in their sleep timing between workdays and non-workdays," Knutson says. "This paper suggests it's not just the extreme cases of irregular bed times, but even a more modest difference between weekends and weekdays of an hour or two seems to be associated with health outcomes like obesity."


All workdays should begin at 10AM.
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#2 May 10 2012 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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"We have shown that if you live against your body clock, you're more likely to smoke, to drink alcohol, and drink far more coffee,"
I'm okay with 66% of that list.
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My alarm clock is a 11 month old who wakes up for feeding between 5 and 6 am everyday. She is unquestionably not the best for my health at this point in her life, but I wouldn't trade her for the world.

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All workdays should begin at 10AM.


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Mornings are when I'm most productive; before everyone else waltzes in at like 10am and starts throwing off my schedule. Smiley: mad
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She is unquestionably not the best for my health at this point in her life, but I wouldn't trade her for the world.
There's a good two hour window where I'd trade mine for a cold bagel and a toaster. And I could be negotiated out of the toaster.
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She is unquestionably not the best for my health at this point in her life, but I wouldn't trade her for the world.
There's a good two hour window where I'd trade mine for a cold bagel and a toaster. And I could be negotiated out of the toaster.

You mean like when one starts crying and it upsets the other one and then there's nothing but wailing and screaming and you can't think and are secretly praying you go deaf at a young age and then by the grace of God your wits return to you momentarily and you say something like "Oh hey look it's Elmo, he loves you too!"
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#6 May 14 2012 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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One of the benefits of working from home is that you have more flexibility to get up when you want, or at least apply the time that you've saved travelling to work on sleep instead.

I agree that a 10am work day would be more comfortable for most, but then potentially working daily to 7 is a bit of a drag... I know because that's what I do most days!
#7 May 14 2012 at 1:14 AM Rating: Good
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Till Roenneberg wrote:
"We have shown that if you live against your body clock, you're more likely to smoke, to drink alcohol, and drink far more coffee,"
I'm okay with 66% of that list.


Nope, nope and nope. I must be an enigma. I do drink alcohol and coffee on occasion, but but not very often at all. I drink maybe once every month or two, and usually have coffee about as often. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I've never touched a lit cigarette to my mouth, and never will. That **** is disgusting.

10 am is still too early, that would require me getting up at 8am to be at work on time, as it usually takes me an hour and a half to eat, shower, get dressed and put on make up. I like the idea of the work day starting at 11 or 12 better. I used to work the 3-11 shift at a hotel, so working from noon to 8 would be a nice change.
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I don't think it's the time you normally get up that's the problem. It's the lack of a routine, and the reset of your regular hours over a two day weekend. That's where the "jet lag" part comes in.

I'm an early riser by nature. "Sleeping in" for me is about 30-45 minutes unless I'm sick.
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The difference between sleeping in and not sleeping in is about 1 hour for me. I actually refuse to get out of bed around the time I normally get up at out of spite.

What I always hate the most is when I have to force myself to sleep during the weekday but become ridiculously sleepy on a night with no work on the day.
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#10 May 14 2012 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
I like to be awake in the morning. I don't really do anything, but it lets me prepare for the rest of the day, and organize myself if there is anything I actually need to do.
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#11 May 15 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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For me sleeping in is rather difficult, although lately I've found myself able to sleep as late as 8:00 or 8:30 on the weekend (I get up at 6:30 for work during the week). So for me, 10:00 would be the perfect time to start the workday. I found I was most productive at a job where I worked an 11:30 am to 8 pm shift.
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#12 May 15 2012 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
My alarm clock is a 11 month old who wakes up for feeding between 5 and 6 am everyday. She is unquestionably not the best for my health at this point in her life, but I wouldn't trade her for the world.


Mine is seven months older, but wakes between four and five still, screams like a banshee until he gets milk, then alternates crying with laughing like a drunk hyena until someone gets up to play with him. Unless it's Joph's turn to get up with him, in which case he sleeps like a rock until 8:30 am. Smiley: mad

Even so my stupid stupid mother spidey senses won't let me sleep in once he's awake, so even if he does wake up early and Joph decides to take him, I usually get up, too. Before I had him, sleeping in meant the difference between six-thirty and seven-thirty.

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#13 May 15 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
I have trouble getting UP lately, not sleeping in. It started the day after I got fired, so I can only assume it has something to do with that. I didn't have a problem getting up at 8:30 on Mother's Day, because I knew I had to so we could go out for breakfast. Other than that though, I have trouble getting myself out of bed before 11:30. Doesn't matter what time I go to bed either.
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I have trouble getting UP lately, not sleeping in. It started the day after I got fired, so I can only assume it has something to do with that. I didn't have a problem getting up at 8:30 on Mother's Day, because I knew I had to so we could go out for breakfast. Other than that though, I have trouble getting myself out of bed before 11:30. Doesn't matter what time I go to bed either.


Not being snide at all, I would guess some form or degree of depression.
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#15 May 15 2012 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think it's the time you normally get up that's the problem. It's the lack of a routine, and the reset of your regular hours over a two day weekend. That's where the "jet lag" part comes in.


I think that the problem with the whole thing is that people "sleep in" on the weekend with the intent of staying in bed longer than they do on a work day. Sliding the time you get up from Monday to Friday will only slide the time you get up Saturday and Sunday as well. I don't think it'll accomplish anything at all. Much ado about nothing, really. You sleep in because it feels great to not have to get up at your usual time. You pay for that on Monday when you have to adjust back. I don't think that anyone who has issues with this is going to be helped by just shifting the normal wake up time a bit.
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I have trouble getting UP lately, not sleeping in. It started the day after I got fired, so I can only assume it has something to do with that. I didn't have a problem getting up at 8:30 on Mother's Day, because I knew I had to so we could go out for breakfast. Other than that though, I have trouble getting myself out of bed before 11:30. Doesn't matter what time I go to bed either.


Not being snide at all, I would guess some form or degree of depression.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but I was already on antidepressants when it started. >.< I'm starting to try some different amino acid supplements in lieu of my meds for depression and ADD, and hopefully those will help. I've been taking a Melatonin supplement as a sleep aid at night too, and that's helped with making sure I get to sleep easy enough at least.
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#17 May 15 2012 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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I have trouble getting UP lately, not sleeping in. It started the day after I got fired, so I can only assume it has something to do with that. I didn't have a problem getting up at 8:30 on Mother's Day, because I knew I had to so we could go out for breakfast. Other than that though, I have trouble getting myself out of bed before 11:30. Doesn't matter what time I go to bed either.


Not being snide at all, I would guess some form or degree of depression.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but I was already on antidepressants when it started. >.< I'm starting to try some different amino acid supplements in lieu of my meds for depression and ADD, and hopefully those will help. I've been taking a Melatonin supplement as a sleep aid at night too, and that's helped with making sure I get to sleep easy enough at least.


After my separation from my wife, I was presribed something called Effexor that was supposed to help me sleep. The instructions said to take it before bed. For the first couple of weeks I did that and I slept worse than I had ever slept in my life. I switched to taking it in the morning with my HBP and thyroid meds and I sleep like a baby now.

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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
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I have trouble getting UP lately, not sleeping in. It started the day after I got fired, so I can only assume it has something to do with that. I didn't have a problem getting up at 8:30 on Mother's Day, because I knew I had to so we could go out for breakfast. Other than that though, I have trouble getting myself out of bed before 11:30. Doesn't matter what time I go to bed either.


Not being snide at all, I would guess some form or degree of depression.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but I was already on antidepressants when it started. >.< I'm starting to try some different amino acid supplements in lieu of my meds for depression and ADD, and hopefully those will help. I've been taking a Melatonin supplement as a sleep aid at night too, and that's helped with making sure I get to sleep easy enough at least.


After my separation from my wife, I was presribed something called Effexor that was supposed to help me sleep. The instructions said to take it before bed. For the first couple of weeks I did that and I slept worse than I had ever slept in my life. I switched to taking it in the morning with my HBP and thyroid meds and I sleep like a baby now.

Edited, May 15th 2012 3:35pm by Bigdaddyjug


Effexor gave me nightmares when I took it at bedtime, so I had to switch to taking it the morning. There are nights that even with the Ambien I can't get enough sleep,(or I need to go without it for a night) so will go back to sleep after I take the Effexor knowing I will have interesting bad dreams.

Losing your job could make the depression worst. I would talk to your doctor and maybe see if temporary increasing your anti-depressant or adding Abilify will help.
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#19 May 15 2012 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
If I had the finances to warrant that sort of thing I would. For now I'm trying something that's actually affordable: taking amino acid supplements that cross the blood brain barrier and are part of the chain to make serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. If that doesn't help, I'll have to try something else.
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Effexor gave me nightmares when I took it at bedtime, so I had to switch to taking it the morning. There are nights that even with the Ambien I can't get enough sleep,(or I need to go without it for a night) so will go back to sleep after I take the Effexor knowing I will have interesting bad dreams.


I can't say it was nightmares as I rarely remember my dreams. I used to THRASH at night when I took the Effexor before bed. I would wake up feeling like I had sleep-walked a marathon.
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The weekend is about the only time I get a reasonable amount sleep. I'm a night person by nature, so I'm usually awake much later than most people. It's not uncommon for me to be awake at three or four in the morning. I have to get up for work at seven. I can actually manage fairly well on little sleep, but Friday's can get a bit rough. It's probably unhealthy, but I just can't go to sleep early, it doesn't work for me.

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Losing your job could make the depression worst. I would talk to your doctor and maybe see if temporary increasing your anti-depressant or adding Abilify will help.


Venlafaxine (generic Effexor) is pretty cheap, but Abililfy is about 450 dollars for a bottle of 30, and the pharmacy tacks on a bit to cover expenses and make a small profit. Unless she had decent insurance in her job and was able to keep it, I doubt Abilify is something she could manage right now.

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#22 May 15 2012 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
My mom pays my health insurance, but it doesn't cover mental health, so yeah... that's not happening.
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Define reasonable amount of sleep. I've operated on four hours of sleep for more than a decade with no problem.
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Define reasonable amount of sleep. I've operated on four hours of sleep for more than a decade with no problem.


That actually explains quite a bit.
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Define reasonable amount of sleep. I've operated on four hours of sleep for more than a decade with no problem.
I did that for about four years and gained 85lbs.
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Maybe if you didn't use those extra four hours a day to eat you wouldn't have had a problem.
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Maybe if you didn't use those extra four hours a day to eat you wouldn't have had a problem.
Nah. It wasn't food. It was the soda. Took down the equivalent of somewhere from 6-8 cans of soda a day just to stay awake.
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Maybe if you didn't use those extra four hours a day to eat you wouldn't have had a problem.
Nah. It wasn't food. It was the soda. Took down the equivalent of somewhere from 6-8 cans of soda a day just to stay awake.


When I see my shop drinking Monsters EVERYDAY, I keep thinking on how that can't be good for your insides.
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Your shop? How did you get an inanimate object to drink energy drinks? That's talented.
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I don't know what you're shaking your head about, you inarticulate dumbass.
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Come on, guys. He's using Super Secret Military Jargon to both make us feel inferior and to remind us that he is supposedly in the military! We shouldn't be making fun of him, we should be in awe of him.
#33 May 17 2012 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
Maybe he thought I was being serious. Nah, he can't be that stupid.
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Maybe he thought I was being serious. Nah, he can't be that stupid.
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Nah. It wasn't food. It was the soda.
Junk is junk, whether it is solid or liquid.
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Maybe he thought I was being serious. Nah, he can't be that stupid.


The icon is applicable in either situation. Surely you have the mental capacity to realize that.
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No **** sherlock. If I thought it was only applicable in one situation, I wouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt.
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Maybe he thought I was being serious. Nah, he can't be that stupid.


The icon is applicable in either situation. Surely you have the mental capacity to realize that.
So basically yes, you are that stupid.


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No sh*t sherlock. If I thought it was only applicable in one situation, I wouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt.


If you realized it were applicable in both situations, then you should have realized that your comment was stupid in both situations, hence the icon. So, obviously you knew it, but didn't understand it.
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Maybe if you didn't use those extra four hours a day to eat you wouldn't have had a problem.
Nah. It wasn't food. It was the soda.
Junk is junk, whether it is solid or liquid.
Well, yeah, but it doesn't really jive with your statement that I quoted, which is why I responded.

It was either give up raiding 6 nights a week so I could get the 4 more hours of sleep I needed or drink a ton of soda for the caffeine I needed to stay awake. Not saying it was a good decision.
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#41 May 19 2012 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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No sh*t sherlock. If I thought it was only applicable in one situation, I wouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt.


If you realized it were applicable in both situations, then you should have realized that your comment was stupid in both situations, hence the icon. So, obviously you knew it, but didn't understand it.


No u. Smiley: tongue

I'd come up with a better argument than that, but I'm too tipsy at the moment.
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