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#152 May 11 2012 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
That is nifty. So if we split up the west... Utah and Arizona can go with the rest of the NW, and Oregon and Washington can go with the rest of the SW, and we can all be happy when it comes to gay issues at least. Smiley: grin I would personally make it a condition though, that if Colorado got to join us they had to give up the ridiculous person-hood amendment shenanigans.

And who would have thunk that Arkansas would be the most liberal of the southern states when it comes to gay issues?

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That is nifty. So if we split up the west... Utah and Arizona can go with the rest of the NW, and Oregon and Washington can go with the rest of the SW, and we can all be happy when it comes to gay issues at least. Smiley: grin I would personally make it a condition though, that if Colorado got to join us they had to give up the ridiculous person-hood amendment shenanigans.

And who would have thunk that Arkansas would be the most liberal of the southern states when it comes to gay issues?

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#154 May 11 2012 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't know, you just don't hear much about them in general. I suppose that should be a good indication that they aren't chock full of crazies like other southern states.
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I don't know, you just don't hear much about them in general. I suppose that should be a good indication that they aren't chock full of crazies like other southern states.


Odd choice of words seeing as, for the most part, Arkansas is the butt of every other Southerner's jokes. It's the unofficial incest capital of the world, although West Virginia is giving it a run for its money.

Every joke that doesn't have to do with our distain for dirty, smelly, hippie liberals, of course.
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#157 May 11 2012 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
Well I haven't spent that much time in the South. I only lived in Oklahoma for 10 months, and then I came back to Oregon where it is sane and there's not psychotic religious billboards telling me I'm going to hell for not believing in Jesus.
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#158 May 11 2012 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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DaddyJug is right. Arkansas is the south's dirty secret. Well, next to Mississippi.
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I found it amusing that DSD moved from the NE to the SE and then had the balls to bitch about their intolerance. You knew beforehand what the Confederate states were all about, sweetie.
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I found it amusing that DSD moved from the NE to the SE and then had the balls to bitch about their intolerance. You knew beforehand what the Confederate states were all about, sweetie.


This is a pretty stupid post.
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Thanks for the chart link Joph, very nice. I don't really know how to feel about Wisconsin anymore. I appreciate the fact that we have a progressive history and tend to not be very divided in general until Scooter decided to divide and conquer. We're ahead of the curve when it comes to gay rights in general. I'm still ashamed that we voted Johnson in over Feingold. Fitzgerald in the Senate scares the shit out of me (Thompson isn't much better and I'd prefer Baldwin).

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I found it amusing that DSD moved from the NE to the SE and then had the balls to bitch about their intolerance. You knew beforehand what the Confederate states were all about, sweetie.


This is a pretty stupid post.


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#163 May 12 2012 at 12:26 AM Rating: Good
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Can anyone explain to me why Iowa and Illinois are isolated bastions of liberality in the "mid-west"? Are they secretly really north-east states?
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#164 May 12 2012 at 12:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.

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Gay Rights is now a conservative issue! Heh.
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#165 May 12 2012 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.


Pretty much. Iowa is just weird.
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#168 May 12 2012 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
I'm actually rather surprised how few gay rights Michigan has, what with having Detroit and all. I know Michigan has its issues, but I don't think conservative state when I think of Michigan. Or does this go along with the stereotype that black people hate the gays?
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#169 May 12 2012 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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I'm actually rather surprised how few gay rights Michigan has, what with having Detroit and all. I know Michigan has its issues, but I don't think conservative state when I think of Michigan. Or does this go along with the stereotype that black people hate the gays?


At least here in west Michigan, the people seem to be very strong on the religious topics. And anti gun control.

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Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.

Indeed for Illinois. Most of Illinois on a congressional map is red but Chicago and the collar counties make up about 60% of the state's population. Plus college areas like Champaign and little urban areas like around Rockford or St Louis. Mainly Chicagoland though.

No idea about Iowa except that it's more liberal to the east and becomes more conservative the further west you go. So I'll credit the healing power of Illinois.

Nate Silver at 538 did an excellent description of the Illinois political geography before if you care enough to read it.

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#171 May 12 2012 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually rather surprised how few gay rights Michigan has, what with having Detroit and all. I know Michigan has its issues, but I don't think conservative state when I think of Michigan. Or does this go along with the stereotype that black people hate the gays?


At least here in west Michigan, the people seem to be very strong on the religious topics. And anti gun control.


That's pretty odd.

Wait, nevermind. I just got up and I got myself confused. I only read anti-gun for some reason, didn't see the control lol.

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#173 May 13 2012 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
I wouldn't say it's completely accurate, but it's pretty damn close. I would love it if we could secede from the US and join Canada. That'd be awesome.
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#174 May 13 2012 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
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Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.


Pretty much. Iowa is just weird.



Iowa is relatively liberal, barring a bastion of very strong R control, low unemployment (5.2%), and they overturned separate but equal on a state level ~80 years before it was done on a federal level. Really, they've just been quick to pick up socially liberal movements.
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#175 May 14 2012 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would love it if we could secede from the US and join Canada.
By join you mean conquer.
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#176 May 14 2012 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
No, I like their way of doing things better. If we tried to conquer them, we'd more than likely ruin the good things they have going on up there. Smiley: tongue
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Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.

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Gay Rights is now a conservative issue! Heh.


This is pretty awesome sauce. It shows that there is concern that the pubbies are on the wrong side of history here.
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#178 May 14 2012 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Illinois has Chicago, can't really tell you why Iowa is liberal.

Indeed for Illinois. Most of Illinois on a congressional map is red but Chicago and the collar counties make up about 60% of the state's population. Plus college areas like Champaign and little urban areas like around Rockford or St Louis. Mainly Chicagoland though.

No idea about Iowa except that it's more liberal to the east and becomes more conservative the further west you go. So I'll credit the healing power of Illinois.

Nate Silver at 538 did an excellent description of the Illinois political geography before if you care enough to read it.

I've generally found this to be a fairly accurate map of the political landscape of Illinois and the surrounding states.
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That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"
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That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"

There have been many discussions amongst my family regarding the elimination of Pennsylvania and how much quicker trips to/from Ohio would be if the Keystone State didn't exist.
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Jophiel wrote:
That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"


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That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"

There have been many discussions amongst my family regarding the elimination of Pennsylvania and how much quicker trips to/from Ohio would be if the Keystone State didn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered but why all the sudden love for Ohio?
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Iowa is relatively liberal, barring a bastion of very strong R control, low unemployment (5.2%), and they overturned separate but equal on a state level ~80 years before it was done on a federal level. Really, they've just been quick to pick up socially liberal movements.


This. Iowa has always been on the forefront of Civil Rights since our inception. We're just @#%^ing awesome like that.
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#183 May 15 2012 at 12:40 AM Rating: Good
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I see New York got the prestigious label of New York.

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Jophiel wrote:
That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"


Debalic wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
That's mainly accurate except I'd relabel Indiana as "Bullshit state making my trips to Ohio/Michigan take that much longer"

There have been many discussions amongst my family regarding the elimination of Pennsylvania and how much quicker trips to/from Ohio would be if the Keystone State didn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered but why all the sudden love for Ohio?

My parents came from Ohio, and most of both of their families stayed there. We spent a week in Galion twice a year for over twenty years.
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Actually I've never made Ohio a destination but I've driven through it en route to Virgina. I can compliment it by saying it's not Indiana.
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Actually I've never made Ohio a destination but I've driven through it en route to Virgina. I can compliment it by saying it's not Indiana.
I know a ton of odd ducks (I mean that in the best possible way) that are either born and bred or went to college in Iowa. It must be in the beer.
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It would have to be the beer.
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Actually I've never made Ohio a destination but I've driven through it en route to Virgina. I can compliment it by saying it's not Indiana.
I know a ton of odd ducks (I mean that in the best possible way) that are either born and bred or went to college in Iowa. It must be in the beer.


That just makes me want to go visit Iowa.
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Actually I've never made Ohio a destination but I've driven through it en route to Virgina. I can compliment it by saying it's not Indiana.

That's something I guess.
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We spent a week in Galion twice a year for over twenty years.

Smiley: jawdropThat's my hometown! I moved in June of last year but that's where I was born and raised. If you went out drinking in the 80's did you go to Mugs Away, Red's or The Place in Gala Lanes?

Sorry for the hijack but this is the last place I expected to see my hometown brought up. It's only a little over 10k population.
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My father grew up in a big house on the corner of Church and Gill; my mom lived over on Park Ave. All the remaining family members have died or moved away so there's no reason (other than misplaced nostalgia) to go back to that place.
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