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#52 May 10 2012 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can think of at least three or four times in the last 500 years where the "definition" of marriage changed either legally or socially in the western world alone.

Probably my favorite variant is traditional handfasting, where in some Gaelic cultures the marriage was not considered legit until the lady was pregnant.
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#53 May 10 2012 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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No True Gaelic accepted that definition!
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Jophiel wrote:
No True Gaelic accepted that definition!


The ones that wanted to have twenty children did.
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#55 May 10 2012 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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No TRUE Gaelic did, and I say "Good day!"
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#56 May 10 2012 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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Now, I don't know anything about government, but this whole states rights thing confuses me. How can states have laws that contradict each other, and even at the federal level? That seems to weaken the whole national identity and continuity. Like marijuana. How can it be legal in one state, then the Feds come in and bust legal operations? How does it make sense to make SSM legal in some states, but not recognized in others, or even nationally?

Federal law trumps state law which is why the feds can do drug busts even if the state doesn't actively arrest/prosecute for it. There is no overarching federal marriage law that defines it for the states (DOMA only applies to federal benefits and definitions) and states have been broadly left to define definitions, legal age, etc for themselves.

Well, yes I get how it works, but not why. Why give states rights if the Fed is just going to trump it? Why leave somethig as important as a couple's legal status variable and inconsistent? Why stay united if the states can't agree on such things?

You know what, I think it's time for another civil war!
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#57 May 10 2012 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's time for the N-E states to grab the west-coast states and back slowly away.
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#58 May 10 2012 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's time for the N-E states to grab the west-coast states and back slowly away.

We're not ALL backwards down here... Smiley: frown

not all...
#60 May 10 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Before the ubiquitous instant communications of the 20th century, individual regions and states tended to develop much more unique personalities. For a country as large as the US (where a single state's individual counties are often larger than some individual nations in Europe), it made sense to allow locals to tweak laws to their own personal preferences.

These days, with the US a lot more homogeneous within regions than anyone wants to admit, it does seem a bit archaic.

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#61 May 10 2012 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Not to be the pedant, but all of those marriages were between 1 man and 1 woman. The 1 man simply had several instances saved.

If that's what makes you feel better Smiley: laugh

Not my issue. The only thing that will make me feel better is if the government stays out of it altogether. Since that's not likely to happen because too many knob-gobblers think marriage could define them, I'll resolve myself to too much government in the bedroom, yet again.
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#62 May 10 2012 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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You know what, I think it's time for another civil war!

Careful what you wish for. Rednecks can shoot better than hippies.
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#63 May 10 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was funny today listening to Rush backpedal from "a man and a woman" to "males & females". Whatever could this mean for the well worn "...but then polygamy should be legal!!" argument if we've already decided that "males & females" is the 3,000 year old immutable definition of marriage?
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#64 May 10 2012 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
It was funny today listening to Rush backpedal from "a man and a woman" to "males & females". Whatever could this mean for the well worn "...but then polygamy should be legal!!" argument if we've already decided that "males & females" is the 3,000 year old immutable definition of marriage?

I fail to see the moral argument against polygamy or same-*** marriage, especially from the Christian right. Their own Christ defines his relationship with the church as a marriage, and there are billions of women and men in there. So how can a man marrying many women, or men, be bad when t3h sabior does it?
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It was funny today listening to Rush backpedal from "a man and a woman" to "males & females". Whatever could this mean for the well worn "...but then polygamy should be legal!!" argument if we've already decided that "males & females" is the 3,000 year old immutable definition of marriage?

I fail to see the moral argument against polygamy or same-*** marriage, especially from the Christian right. Their own Christ defines his relationship with the church as a marriage, and there are billions of women and men in there. So how can a man marrying many women, or men, be bad when t3h sabior does it?

Because Jesus never put his **** in anyone?
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It was funny today listening to Rush backpedal from "a man and a woman" to "males & females". Whatever could this mean for the well worn "...but then polygamy should be legal!!" argument if we've already decided that "males & females" is the 3,000 year old immutable definition of marriage?

I fail to see the moral argument against polygamy or same-*** marriage, especially from the Christian right. Their own Christ defines his relationship with the church as a marriage, and there are billions of women and men in there. So how can a man marrying many women, or men, be bad when t3h sabior does it?

Because Jesus never put his **** in anyone?


I don't know, the jury is still out on Mary Magdalene.
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#68 May 10 2012 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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#69 May 10 2012 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder why Romney hates teh gays.
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Because Jesus never put his **** in anyone?
"Take and eat; this is my body."
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That doesn't mean he hates gays. He may have just been a rich, entitled pathetic little asshole of a person.

Gotta give someone the benefit of the doubt, you know.
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#73 May 10 2012 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gotta give someone the benefit of the doubt, you know.
You're so evolved. Smiley: inlove
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I think it's time for the N-E states to grab the west-coast states and back slowly away.

We're not ALL backwards down here... Smiley: frown

not all...

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Because Jesus never put his **** in anyone?
"Take and eat; this is my body."

I will never be able to think of communion the same way again.
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cidbahamut wrote:
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Because Jesus never put his **** in anyone?
"Take and eat; this is my body."

I will never be able to think of communion the same way again.

Why do you think they serve wine also? They need to get you good and drunk!
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