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#152 Apr 25 2012 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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The apostate mage isn't fit to carry Morrigan's socks. I picked up some rogue so maybe he'll be bearable.

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I've enjoyed Anders so far (which isn't long since i decided to go back and reply Origins). I've spent a fair bit of time laughing at him. I enjoy pulling out the Sir Pounce-A-Lot gift.
Sir Pounce-A-Lot is OP.

Also, after DA2, I really ******* hate Anders.

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#154 Apr 25 2012 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
So last night I started up a dwarf noble rogue and got all the way to Lothering. Has anyone else done that origin story yet? It's really awesome. It's kind of dumb that they call it dwarf noble when you're royalty though. I'll probably finish Lothering, and then go back to finishing my mage campaign.

I like Oghren so far. Then again, hearing him ask Morrigan if she could change into animals and have *** with people practically had me on the floor. Smiley: laugh
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That whole exchange is good. Especially the end... "Nugs are delicious with barbeque sauce..."

My dwarf rogue was of casteless birth though.
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#156 Apr 25 2012 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Both the dwarf origin stories are good. City elf is pretty grim. Human is boring, naturally.
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#157 Apr 25 2012 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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So last night I started up a dwarf noble rogue and got all the way to Lothering. Has anyone else done that origin story yet? It's really awesome. It's kind of dumb that they call it dwarf noble when you're royalty though. I'll probably finish Lothering, and then go back to finishing my mage campaign.

I like Oghren so far. Then again, hearing him ask Morrigan if she could change into animals and have *** with people practically had me on the floor. Smiley: laugh


The throne isn't hereditary in Orzammar, which makes royalty and nobility a much less bold distinction than in other cases.
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#158 Apr 25 2012 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
I know it's not Dragon Age, but the Witcher 2 has been a good time thus far.
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#159 Apr 25 2012 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
I get that, but you're still royalty until the king dies and a new king is picked. Well, you would have been anyways... There were several times my character was referred to as "princess." More often I was called "Lady Aeducan," but if the children of the king aren't considered royalty, they wouldn't be called prince or princess at all.
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#160 Apr 26 2012 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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What I'm saying is that there is not a significant difference between nobility and royalty in the context of Orzammar. Semantics are really the only reason why the children of the King would be seen as royalty. And they certainly aren't seen as people who you must serve.

They're only royal in an empty sense--they are related to the current monarch. In experience, you are nobility, not royalty.
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The throne isn't hereditary in Orzammar

It is when I'm on the job. News of the hour: Lord Harrowmont licks nug taint!
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#162 Apr 26 2012 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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So I gots a stats question.

I've been focusing on mainly strength for my warrior, agility for Leliana, Magic for the mages. Is there another point were it would be nice to get some of the other stats? For instance:

-I thought I read 30 cunning would allow you to pick any luck in the game with all the talent points. Is that something worth shooting for?
-Are there armor sets for the other characters that require certain other stats? (like maybe 24 strength for Leliana to wear a nice piece of armor or something?)
-Other stats you like to raise? ("X" amount of willpower for Wynne, or "Y" amount Constitution for a tank character?)

My characters are about level 13-14 at the moment, so was thinking it probably was worth asking sooner rather than later.
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#163 Apr 26 2012 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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I split my war on dex and str, because he was DW. Dex helps with hitting and dodging attacks. I wouldn't worry about opening chests. If there's something good in it, it's an easy pick or already unlocked.

For mages, I usually level them 2 magic, 1 willpower. Leliana is 2dex and rotating str/cun. My dps war was 2 str, 1 dex. My tanks was rotating, putting into predominantly str and dex, but added some con as well. I have no idea if that was a good way to do it, but I had no issues with any fights going that route.
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#164 Apr 26 2012 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I raise cunning and dex on rogues about equally - cunning 2, dex 1 until cunning hits about 30, then switch them around. Warriors, I raise str to 42 so they can wear any armor I happen across, enough cunning to get what they need, and the rest dex. Mages magic 2 willpower 1, pretty much all the way through.

Dog gets strength and constitution. Shale gets strength to 38, constitution to 38, then the rest in dex.
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#165 Apr 26 2012 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Getting Leliana's STR to 20 is sufficient for armor purposes. 20 is what you need for the tunic from the Leliana's Song DLC which will last her the entire game if you go that route.

I never brought her STR up past that. Went Dex heavy followed by Cunning and the Lethality skill replaces STR with CUN for damage modifier purposes. I haven't seen a solid answer on which is better for archery but I put the bulk of my points into Dex and its worked fine for me.



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#166 Apr 26 2012 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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What I've read regarding Archery is only Dex affects it.
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#167 Apr 26 2012 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Bows use half strength, half dex. Crossbows only use dex.

Dexterity increases your attack stat, and Cunning increases your armor penetration.

Ideal archery setups include stacking Dex to meet your needs (accuracy you want), then switching to Cunning. You don't want to be using abilities as an archer, because they are terribly balanced. You also don't want haste, because it will increase your aim time. Ideally you'll have at least the Repeater gloves, and it's best to have Rock Mastery (though it is glitched for the console versions to make it terrible).

High Cunning will buff Song of Courage to be quite strong, and give you decent damage and high ArP. As long as you aren't missing, this effectively makes it better than Dex. You aren't using anything else dependent on stats.

You'll only want to have Aim active (which requires the proper attack speed reduction to negate its penalties) and grab Master Archer.
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#168 Apr 26 2012 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Bows use half strength, half dex.

Like I said, I've read conflicting opinions on this. I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't know who is right.
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#169 Apr 26 2012 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
You don't want to be using abilities as an archer, because they are terribly balanced.


So wait, I should just use some of the sustained abilities or something? Smiley: confused
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#170 Apr 26 2012 at 10:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dude, you're the only one playing this game, play it how you want to. Only Morrigan will ***** at you.
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#171 Apr 26 2012 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I guess to be more detailed, tank warrior has been 2 strength + 1 dex until I got enough dex for all the abilities, since then it's been 2 strength 1 constitution. But I've just reached 42 strength, so I might consider stopping?

Jophiel wrote:
Getting Leliana's STR to 20 is sufficient for armor purposes.


Ahh I think I went a bit higher, she's wearing the ancient elven armor or something at the moment. I want to say that was like 22 strength. It's come at the expense of cunning I suppose, but I got enough cunning for the various skills and talents she had, I wasn't sure if cunning did much beyond that for her. I haven't really spent any talents on her bard stuff.

Morrigan/Wynne have been getting 2 Magic + 1 Willpower mostly, but I wasn't sure if more magic was a great idea once I maxed out what I needed for spells. They seem to shoot through mana fast, and I make a lot of mana pots. Wasn't sure if more willpower would help there, or if it wasn't going to be enough to make a difference, and I just need to accept I'm drinking heavily as a mage if I want to do good damage.

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Dude, you're the only one playing this game, play it how you want to. Only Morrigan will ***** at you.


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#173 Apr 26 2012 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the short answer is that, unless you're playing at the highest difficulties, it's hard to unintentionally ***** things up to the point of handicapping yourself.
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#174 Apr 26 2012 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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I've been checking out the Bioware forums. Concensus seems to be that:
1. Warriors should focus on Dex, and only do the minimum they need to Strength.

2. Rogues should do minumum they need to Dex (34, probably), then focus on Cunning.
--This may or may not lead to lower unit dps, but it is definitely much better party dps due to awesome Song of Courage buffs.
--Things get really iffy when it comes to Awakening, but it looks like Dex might be better there (I'm guessing because of accuracy issues, but no one elaborates).
--I see some allusions to console glitches, but no one elaborates.

3. Optimal DPS by a huge margin comes from a build using Repeaters Gloves or Rock Mastery, Aim, and Master Archer with no additional talents. Due to the animation time of abilities, they do vastly lower damage over time compared to simply auto-attacking. Of course, you might choose to sacrifice dps for utility.

4. I have seen it mentioned elsewhere that a hotfix patch broke shortbows to only factor in Dexterity. But literally all of the best bows in the game are longbows, and you should almost definitely have one of them by the time you can get lethality, so it shouldn't be an issue. Plus, shortbows actually suck. A lot. You can very easily reduce your aim time to 0 with a longbow, which makes their faster speed irrelevant, so you end up with a lower damage bow with lower ArP firing at the same rate at a shorter range.

I think it's safe to say that, if using a Longbow, it's 50/50 Strength and Dexterity. Still doesn't tell which is the better build (and if you aren't using the Bard spec, that's really up to you. Though I don't know why you'd pass up Song of Courage--Assassin is useless for Archers and you don't want to be in melee range to take advantage of Duelist).

This post feels somewhat reliable.
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#175 Apr 26 2012 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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The correct answer is "Ranger, so Leliana can have more fluffy pets". Smiley: nod
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#176 Apr 26 2012 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Though I don't know why you'd pass up Song of Courage


No particular reason, other than I was busy taking all those archery talents, which I was hoping were awesome. Smiley: wink

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The correct answer is "Ranger, so Leliana can have more fluffy pets". Smiley: nod


Way ahead of you. Smiley: grin
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