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#102 Apr 24 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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#103 Apr 24 2012 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're playing a rogue, you're pretty much Leliana's replacement already. Or start allocating Zevran's skills towards the same goals (although you'll be at a disadvantage given his base skills unless you mod him). I usually go two melee/tank, one ranged (bow) and one mage but that's just me. When I played a rogue, I think I just left out the archer and still did okay.
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#104 Apr 24 2012 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I'm not so much concerned at the idea of losing Leliana, as I am losing out on two potential ranged characters, given that I don't think there are any others. Zevran is the backstabbing variety of rogue, Alistair is a tank, Sten and Oghren are both dps warriors (although Sten could be used as a tank as well I suppose) and I'm not sure what Shale does since I haven't gotten her yet. Waiting until after I finish Orzammar so I don't have to worry about her getting pissed at me. I was actually thinking of making Sten my tank, since he's not a goody goody like Alistair, so I guess if I felt particularly strong about having three ranged, I could either respec Zevran or Oghren. I'll probably just stick to doing half and half though, that way my play style will be a bit different.
#105 Apr 24 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I do like the current party set up I have now, of the tank and three ranged people, as it makes it a lot easier to avoid AoE damage and stuff like that. But I guess having two melee and two ranged wouldn't be that bad.


Given Wynne's tendency to hang out next to my tank, she get's reluctantly referred to as my 2nd melee... Smiley: grin

Also I'm struggling to figure out what Leliana actually does well. I mean the massively long range is nice, and she picks locks. But she doesn't have any great CC, and doesn't seem to do a lot of damage. Her buffing is nice, but I'm just get the feeling it's not that great.
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#106 Apr 24 2012 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Shale has capable ranged attacks and a combat mode where nearby ranged characters are buffed.

Zevran already has the Dexterity to work as an archer. You probably won't fill out all the archery skills by the end of the game with him but that's not important. I've seen people report that sustained plink-plink-plinking with Rapid Aim is actually better DPS than using things like Critical Shot or Arrow of Slaying due to their activation times. Plus Zevran sort of sucks as a melee due to the AI not really understanding how rogues should work.

Herbalism can negate some of the need for a healer; just crank out the poultices. Morrigan can spot heal as required in tougher fights. I made it through the last game with my character just using Heal & Group Heal (yeah, had to take the healer spec for that). Maybe add Revive to the mix. Unless you wanted to spec Morrigan as a blood mage you shouldn't need Wynne at all.

Can Morrigan spec as Arcane Warrior? I never bothered to look at it for her. Morrigan dressed in Warden Commander armor and swinging that Arcane sword would be pretty lulzy.

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 2:05pm by Jophiel
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#107 Apr 24 2012 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never played Morrigan as an arcane warrior either, but I bet she could.

Sten is not a great tank, not saying it can't work but he only gets one spec, which is a little bit of a handicap. Watch out with the evil choices with Sten, as well - he's not evil, per se.

If you want to go evil but keep Alistair as your tank, you can do that. He'll disapprove but he won't leave. He pretty much can't, since it's his quest you're on in the long term.
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#108 Apr 24 2012 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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#109 Apr 24 2012 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can Dog tank?

I remember him being squishier than Alistair early on, and actually switched him out for bear-form-Morrigan. Not that I knew what the heck I was doing or anything. Smiley: um
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#110 Apr 24 2012 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
Oh I know Sten isn't evil, but he's not as goody goody as Alistair is. He comes with the Champion specialization though, doesn't he? That's the default tanking tree, so I'm not too worried about it. Does seem kind of odd that he's the only humanoid who only gets one specialization though. I'm pretty sure there's a mod out there to fix that, so if it ends up being an issue it's not a big deal.

Oh and protein, if you change Wynne's "mode" in the tactics menu to Ranged instead of Default, she won't follow your tank around so much. You want to do that with all your ranged toons really.
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I've no idea as I rarely used him. But he'll never stop loving you.

Actually, I thought he started with a pretty high Constitution score.
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#112 Apr 24 2012 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I've been thinking about what kind of set up to do in a second run through as a rogue. I'm curious to see what would happen choosing some of the more "evil" plot options, like killing off the mages instead of helping them, and siding with the Andraste cult and stuff like that. However, I know if I do that I'll only have Morrigan as a mage/healer, and I'll lose Leliana as well. I do like the current party set up I have now, of the tank and three ranged people, as it makes it a lot easier to avoid AoE damage and stuff like that. But I guess having two melee and two ranged wouldn't be that bad.


Annulling the circle will lose you Wynne, but I'm pretty sure you can get around losing Leliana as long as she isn't with you for her crisis points (though she might leave later, if you don't choose the right dialogue options).
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#113 Apr 24 2012 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh and protein, if you change Wynne's "mode" in the tactics menu to Ranged instead of Default, she won't follow your tank around so much. You want to do that with all your ranged toons really.


Ahhh ok.

I have her set as 'defensive' at the moment, Morrigan is set there too. I'll have to give ranged a try then. Smiley: grin

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I've no idea as I rarely used him. But he'll never stop loving you.

Actually, I thought he started with a pretty high Constitution score.


I think so too. I don't think he had other things the tanks do, such as the different shield techniques and what not. He didn't seem to have as many stuns and other things too. Plus no using potions for emergencies (right?). I dunno, it was like level 10ish or something though, so I didn't use him for long either. Smiley: frown

Maybe if I just concentrate on raising that score? Seems like that would require a lot of mana to heal.

And he can't taunt?

I have no idea if any of that really matters though... Smiley: lol

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 2:40pm by someproteinguy
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#114 Apr 24 2012 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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The dog can use potions, but he doesn't taunt very well. He is always on your side, though.

I usually set him to defend the healer/mage.

Sten is unspecced to begin with, and can use any of the warrior specs - but only one. I haven't seen a mod to fix that, but I haven't looked that hard. His two-hander damage is too good to pass up.
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The dog can use potions, but he doesn't taunt very well. He is always on your side, though.

I usually set him to defend the healer/mage.

Sten is unspecced to begin with, and can use any of the warrior specs - but only one. I haven't seen a mod to fix that, but I haven't looked that hard. His two-hander damage is too good to pass up.


Is it? I never used him, actually. Don't like his personality, didn't like him only having one spec. *shrug*
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#117 Apr 24 2012 at 5:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I set Sten up as a Berserker and he did fine by me. As mentioned, not a great tank (Alistair seems best for that) but does good damage.

You can actually thread the needle and kill off the Circle without losing Wynne. Don't ask me for the exact path to take in the dialogue tree but I did it last game without intending to. I was actually surprised to find that I had inadvertently killed them all since I had planned to save them to avoid angering Wynne. Of course, if you continue to act like a **** I'm pretty sure she leaves anyway (i.e. if you defile the Urn).

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 6:01pm by Jophiel
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#118 Apr 24 2012 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I set Sten up as a Berserker and he did fine by me. As mentioned, not a great tank (Alistair seems best for that) but does good damage.

You can actually thread the needle and kill off the Circle without losing Wynne. Don't ask me for the exact path to take in the dialogue tree but I did it last game without intending to. I was actually surprised to find that I had inadvertently killed them all since I had planned to save them to avoid angering Wynne. Of course, if you continue to act like a **** I'm pretty sure she leaves anyway (i.e. if you defile the Urn).

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 6:01pm by Jophiel


I think I do remember thinking about that, actually, thinking about it. Just looked it up on the wiki:

1. Recruit her after you defile the urn. Doesn't seem like you can reason with her about this, even if she's not in the party.
2. You let Uldred kill Irving, but don't openly agree to Annul the circle when Cullen asks. Whether or not you actually try to save them doesn't matter, as long as you promise to. So the circle gets destroyed, but Wynne stays with you. Without Irving, you get Templar support.

I haven't actually Annulled the Circle, so no clue what happens to the other mages. I really need to get around to trying that out...
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#119 Apr 24 2012 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Never occured to me to recruit her after the Urn since the Urn is usually the last thing I do before the final chapters.
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#120 Apr 24 2012 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Did she not turn on you there? The wiki page might be missing something, then, or poorly worded.

And yeah, I always get her before the Urn. Not because the Urn is always last, but because I always do the Mage Tower first. Access to those stats is just nifty, particularly so I don't have to invest in Cunning for non-Rogues, or as much in Dex for my Arcane Warriors. Also helps me meet stat reqs for gear/skills.

After that, I almost always go to Redcliffe, to the point where you get to Connor.

Next is either Brecilien Forest or Haven.

Orzammar is pretty much always last, which is actually what the Devs "intended" because the minimum level for mobs there, iirc, is 10-15.
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#121 Apr 24 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't defile the Urn. I wasn't saying I kept Wynne and acted 'evil' throughout, just that I accidentally-successfully kept her while killing the Circle.
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Jophiel wrote:
I set Sten up as a Berserker and he did fine by me. As mentioned, not a great tank (Alistair seems best for that) but does good damage.

You can actually thread the needle and kill off the Circle without losing Wynne. Don't ask me for the exact path to take in the dialogue tree but I did it last game without intending to. I was actually surprised to find that I had inadvertently killed them all since I had planned to save them to avoid angering Wynne. Of course, if you continue to act like a **** I'm pretty sure she leaves anyway (i.e. if you defile the Urn).

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 6:01pm by Jophiel
I just did it as well, and like you, have no idea how. I didn't even mean to kill them all off, but apparently that's the route I took. Then when it was over, she still asked Gregoir to let her go with me.
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#123 Apr 24 2012 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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If you don't use the Littany, he'll turn them into abominations. If you do, you'll "save" them (or at least Irving).
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#124 Apr 24 2012 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used it (multiple times in fact) and they all got Abominitized. Sucked to be them.

It was amusing to go back and ask about Whats-her-dwarf-face (Dagna?) joining the (non-existent) Circle. Gregoir was not down with that.
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If you don't use the Littany, he'll turn them into abominations.
Uhm, yea. That would be what I didn't do. I was wondering why the fight seemed a bit harder this time around.
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#126 Apr 25 2012 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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Doesn't Wynne shout at you a couple times mid-fight to use it?
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