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#52 Apr 11 2012 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Um... Wow. Please tell me you didn't actually think that was a quote from Santorum?


Does it matter? You are still going to type a long winded response that will be very loosely based in reality. Regardless of the article being satire the religious nut finally dropped out of the race.
#53 Apr 11 2012 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
Seriously. It's not like Santorum is smart enough to realize that Jesus was a communist.
#54 Apr 11 2012 at 8:02 PM Rating: Default
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Seriously. It's not like Santorum is smart enough to realize that Jesus was a communist.


I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus tells everyone to form a centralized authoritarian government which should take all the possessions from everyone and then redistribute it back to everyone based on what it thinks they need. I mean, I get the need some people have for massively over simplified rhetoric, but this one doesn't even begin to make sense.

It's kinda hard to give to those in need and help your neighbor if you don't have anything to give nor the means to help.
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#55 Apr 11 2012 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Seriously. It's not like Santorum is smart enough to realize that Jesus was a communist.


I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus tells everyone to form a centralized authoritarian government which should take all the possessions from everyone and then redistribute it back to everyone based on what it thinks they need. I mean, I get the need some people have for massively over simplified rhetoric, but this one doesn't even begin to make sense.

It's kinda hard to give to those in need and help your neighbor if you don't have anything to give nor the means to help.


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#56 Apr 11 2012 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, is it that time of the year? Guess we'll be having the "Soviet Russia wasn't communist" debate again.
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#57 Apr 11 2012 at 9:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus tells everyone to form a centralized authoritarian government which should take all the possessions from everyone and then redistribute it back to everyone based on what it thinks they need.
It's actually in the part on the inside. Might help to start there.
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#58 Apr 12 2012 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
#59 Apr 12 2012 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus tells everyone to form a centralized authoritarian government which should take all the possessions from everyone and then redistribute it back to everyone based on what it thinks they need.
It's actually in the part on the inside. Might help to start there.

Even the crossed out section would be the 1st century Church as described in Acts. Granted, it was voluntary in that you weren't forced to be part of the church. But the doctrine that your possessions ultimately belong to God and, by extension, the church for their use is hardly new or innovative.
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#60 Apr 12 2012 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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First through third, really.

And again with the various Penitence movements around the turn of the millennium (and for some time after). The original operation of the Franciscan order was essentially communist.
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#61 Apr 12 2012 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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In before "I'm more an Old Testament kind of guy."
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#62 Apr 12 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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In before inane argument about similarities and differences between religion and government.
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#63 Apr 12 2012 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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First through third, really.

Historically fair enough except that the Bible ends before the 2nd & 3rd century churches Smiley: grin
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#64 Apr 12 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
First through third, really.

Historically fair enough except that the Bible ends before the 2nd & 3rd century churches Smiley: grin


Ah true, I completely missed the Acts part.
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#65 Apr 12 2012 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
Pretty much any monastery or convent for the last two thousand years revolved around living as a commune. The idea was that by ridding oneself of material possessions, one could be closer to God. If you wanted to live a bachelor life, you were supposed to do this. If you didn't take holy orders, you were supposed to get married, and instead of giving your stuff away and being poor, you would devote your resources to your children.

Unfortunately, within the Catholic church they just declared all their riches God's property and used it anyway. The monks survived on gruel and wore homespun robes, while the cardinals glutted themselves on all the finer things in life.

Funny old thing, how almost everyone forgot what Jesus said almost immediately after he died.
#66 Apr 12 2012 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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Well, it goes deeper than that. The Benedictine Order, for instance, agreed with the notion of personal poverty as being commendable. But they didn't extend that to the actual communal property as well. So Benedictine monasteries were full of "poor" monks who lived in monasteries that were extremely wealthy, and had *relatively luxurious lives.

*Relative to the common man, and some other orders such as Franciscans.

The Benedictine Rule was still something they were expected to live by, of course, but they added exceptions to it fairly rapidly, though in small steps. It banned the consumption of alcohol, for instance, but pretty much every monastery would have been serving it by the thirteenth century.

I don't say this to degrade the order--the rule was very strict in general. Only to point out that personal property and communal property can mean essentially the same thing, if the community is kept small.

Which, of course, led to some of the most extreme heretical movements of the early millennium (those that called for true communal poverty as well), which the church very quickly denounced as heretical.

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To clarify, monks generally speaking lived confortably across orders (they didn't starve, though quality of food and the monastery was variable).

Priests, however, often came from the laity, and were quite often poor.

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 1:18pm by idiggory
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#67 Apr 12 2012 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The Benedictine Rule was still something they were expected to live by, of course, but they added exceptions to it fairly rapidly, though in small steps. It banned the consumption of alcohol, for instance, but pretty much every monastery would have been serving it by the thirteenth century.
And I, for one, am thankful for that.
Who knows what the landscape of beer would look like if those Belgian monks hadn't invented so many great beers.
#68 Apr 12 2012 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The Benedictine Rule was still something they were expected to live by, of course, but they added exceptions to it fairly rapidly, though in small steps. It banned the consumption of alcohol, for instance, but pretty much every monastery would have been serving it by the thirteenth century.
And I, for one, am thankful for that.
Who knows what the landscape of beer would look like if those Belgian monks hadn't invented so many great beers.


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#69 Apr 12 2012 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The Benedictine Rule was still something they were expected to live by, of course, but they added exceptions to it fairly rapidly, though in small steps. It banned the consumption of alcohol, for instance, but pretty much every monastery would have been serving it by the thirteenth century.
And I, for one, am thankful for that.
Who knows what the landscape of beer would look like if those Belgian monks hadn't invented so many great beers.


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#71 Apr 12 2012 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The Benedictine Rule was still something they were expected to live by, of course, but they added exceptions to it fairly rapidly, though in small steps. It banned the consumption of alcohol, for instance, but pretty much every monastery would have been serving it by the thirteenth century.
And I, for one, am thankful for that.
Who knows what the landscape of beer would look like if those Belgian monks hadn't invented so many great beers.


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Budweiser can suck it.


I keep seeing commercials for Budweiser Platinum, and I'm confused because I thought that was an April Fool's joke.
#72 Apr 12 2012 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
I keep seeing commercials for Budweiser Platinum, and I'm confused because I thought that was an April Fool's joke.


Can't filter something out of your water? It's cheaper just to re-brand your product. Smiley: nod
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#73 Apr 12 2012 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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Eske Esquire wrote:
I keep seeing commercials for Budweiser Platinum, and I'm confused because I thought that was an April Fool's joke.
No no, Bud Light Platinum is a real game changer*. With it's mean 6% ABV it'll surely be able to tempt those beer drinkers who like those high ABV Imperial Stouts, Double IPA's and Barleywines.





*Actual quote by AB InBev's North American head honcho, 1.8% more ABV and no real difference in taste from standard Bud Light is a serious attempt to win back the marketshare lost to craft brewers.
#74 Apr 12 2012 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Platinum, because it sounds classy as ****.
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#75 Apr 12 2012 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Platinum, because it sounds classy as @#%^.


Don't hate, it's all neon blue and ****.

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No no, Bud Light Platinum is a real game changer*. With it's mean 6% ABV it'll surely be able to tempt those beer drinkers who like those high ABV Imperial Stouts, Double IPA's and Barleywines.


Was that who it's supposed to be marketed at? I thought that was what their "American Ale" was supposed to do (and did horribly, in that regard). I thought this one was aimed more at the club scene. What with the such-an-obvious-marketing-move-its-insulting "Platinum" name, the neon blue bottle, etc.
#76 Apr 12 2012 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think it's directly targeted at the craft drinkers as the name Bud Light has such a foul taste to it already that few will go near it but I do think it's sort of hopping on the bandwagon of the higher ABV trend.

They already bought Goose Island for the craft beer drinkers. Well that and threatening distributors to push craft beers off the shelves and stay loyal to AB-InBev.
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