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#27 Apr 04 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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MMOs are like any other addictive substance. You start out doing it because you really enjoy the socialization of the activity, but after a long time of dosing ourselves we need the quicker, more potent, main-line hits to stay interested. People don't want to shout hours for a group. They want that sweet, sweet dose of dopamine as soon as they log on and need to be fed a steady stream of rewards to keep them logged in and paying.
#28 Apr 04 2012 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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During your week on EQ2, come to Everfrost server. That's where most of us play.


Yeah, I stalked the forums beforehand (so I knew where the cool people played) and created a froggie warden on Everfrost

As for grouping, I actually enjoy soloing a lot - it was just that I actually had a friend playing WoW with me and I felt like the game penalized us for grouping up... and it felt really awkward - there was no real synergy, just spam a couple skills and the trash is dead. I didn't like the combat either. While long, drawn out fights are not desirable either (*cough* XIV) I do like the fight to feel like a fight... I feel like killing EP/DC in XI is the optimal fight length/reward - actually I just love the leveling curve in XI right now, it feels ideal.

I am really not so into the way WoW does questing - it felt like none of the equipment I got lasted more than 15 minutes - I had no real attachment to it, and I didn't really feel rewarded by it. Also the colour scheme is garish.

I hated the huge rings over the head of people in LotRO, it felt like I was getting directed every 2 steps, I didn't even play the game more than once... warhammer's soundtrack of screams was a little much, and the combat was (again) too much like hit one skill and the prey auto-dies - I lasted longer (with the sound off) than I did on LotRO though

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MMOs are like any other addictive substance. You start out doing it because you really enjoy the socialization of the activity, but after a long time of dosing ourselves we need the quicker, more potent, main-line hits to stay interested. People don't want to shout hours for a group. They want that sweet, sweet dose of dopamine as soon as they log on and need to be fed a steady stream of rewards to keep them logged in and paying.

Back in the day, this was accomplished by making positive relationships in game and having a group of people you could log in and hang with. These days, it's considered a mechanical failing if the game doesn't hold your hand and set you up on play dates.
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#30 Apr 04 2012 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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#32 Apr 04 2012 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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I enjoy the ability to do things solo in these games. I greatly enjoy SWTOR, and have played much of it solo. I just think that these games lack in the group and community experiences that some of the older games had when grouping was forced. I'm not sure you'll ever really see that kind of thing again, as it's not quite a viable market to target.


You will see more of a community once endgame picks up more, as long as they don't implement cross-server LFG.

The LFG tool was really the death of the WoW community (more firmly substantiated by the raid finder tool). Before then, despite the solo-friendliness, there's was definitely a distinct social sphere per server. True, you could choose not to take part, but only if you weren't interested in dungeons or endgame. Even if you only occasionally ran dungeons while leveling, there was a really good chance you'd be seeing a fair number of people you knew. That would certainly be the case if you engaged in endgame content at all.

Once they created the LFG tool, though, they nearly destroyed any reason to meet people while leveling. There wasn't actually any good reason to group with people from your server until you started raiding, and even then you were only going to meet the people in your guild.

I think it was less significant with PVP, because arenas demanded you form local teams, and premades always worked better than randoms. It still faced the same issues, but battlegrounds are vastly less social environments--if you have time to chat (assuming typed), you are SO not doing it right.

I never want to see that in any other MMO I play.

To be fair, the devs realized the beast they created and tried to remedy it by heavily glamorizing guilds with the advent of perks. But that doesn't help repair the broken server community, and most people just joined MASSIVE guilds that made forming a meaningful community impossible. You were there for the perks, not for anything else.

TOR has a decent community, but it's biggest issue right now is how thinly the population has been spread. In order to accommodate launch, they opened up a ton of servers. Which definitely helped a ton, because they were all standard to very heavy in population for the first month. But now that people aren't playing every day, or for as many hours, the density is way down. Makes it much harder to find groups, and there's a lot less conversation in the general channels.

It's unclear whether or not they'll be merging servers, but I wouldn't expect that decision to be made until at least 1-2+ months after they release 1.2, which will be the first really significant update to endgame. It will also add a lot of incentive to level alt characters, which should help increase population levels in lower zones. Crew Skills are being revamped and, finally, it's fixing some of the issues with endgame dungeons, with regards to drops. Overall should buff population density, but perhaps not enough.

It's also adding some important features to guilds, giving players greater reason to join one beyond the social aspects.

As long as they don't add cross-server dungeons, I think we should be fine. Especially if they merge servers so that the lowest pop ones start around standard density. Because they implemented reason to quest in groups (for social points), as well as regular Heroic areas on top of regular dungeons, you have plenty of reason to make friends while leveling.

They really should consider expanding the social system, perhaps in conjunction with the legacy one. If social points aren't simply aesthetic, there would be reason to group while you level. Right now, they pretty much just give you armor skins. But if the character's social level had influence on your legacy, it would encourage group activity across levels. I don't think it should have an obvious influence on endgame, but I'm sure they can come up with something sufficiently attractive that won't destabilize balance. The Legacy system can already get you a mailbox and vendor on your ship, but things like that would be worth unlocking earlier rather than waiting for endgame. Maybe have social-based bag or bank upgrades. Etc.
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#33 Apr 04 2012 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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I like computer-generated groups in gaming. It's a bit weird making friends with people in MMO's for me now as I'm well out of the normal gaming demographics. People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.

I kinda miss my well balanced group that I had complete control of in Dragon Age. I was grouping with a dog last night in Skyrim. I was, quite literally, tripping over him.
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#34 Apr 04 2012 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.

I kinda miss my well balanced group that I had complete control of in Dragon Age.

Grouping Pro-Tip: Less Wynne, more Morrigan/Leliana when talking to your group mates Smiley: grin
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#35 Apr 04 2012 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Elinda wrote:
People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.

I kinda miss my well balanced group that I had complete control of in Dragon Age.

Grouping Pro-Tip: Less Wynne, more Morrigan/Leliana when talking to your group mates Smiley: grin
Morrigan and Alistar were my favs. They even got together in the end. Smiley: inlove

I used the dog alot as he was relatively low maintenance, and the dwarf later on as the tankiness was helpful and I didn't mind when he died cuz he was so obnoxious.
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I've been replaying and Alister just got ****** and left the group taking my best armor and sword with him. **** move, Alister.

I just noticed that "Alister" is included in my Firefox spell check.
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#37 Apr 04 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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It's a bit weird making friends with people in MMO's for me now as I'm well out of the normal gaming demographics. People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.


I think this is becoming increasingly untrue, because the average age of the MMO player is in the thirties now, iirc. Honestly, I hate playing with people in my age bracket, because we're largely annoying idiots. I don't want to talk about how the government should legalize pot. I don't want to talk about how wasted you're going to get tonight. I don't want to know how high you are right now. I'm not interested in how much *** you and your "girlfriend" have.

And, honestly, that makes it way easier to make friendships, imo. When people are making it super obvious that they're morons, they are easy to avoid. And it makes the non-idiots stand out. :P

Plus, age doesn't really matter much once insipid behavior isn't respected. ; )
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#38 Apr 04 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I've been replaying and Alister just got ****** and left the group taking my best armor and sword with him. **** move, Alister.

I just noticed that "Alister" is included in my Firefox spell check.
Plz run my post through ur spellcheck...
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#39 Apr 04 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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It's a bit weird making friends with people in MMO's for me now as I'm well out of the normal gaming demographics. People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.


I think this is becoming increasingly untrue, because the average age of the MMO player is in the thirties now, iirc. Honestly, I hate playing with people in my age bracket, because we're largely annoying idiots. I don't want to talk about how the government should legalize pot. I don't want to talk about how wasted you're going to get tonight. I don't want to know how high you are right now. I'm not interested in how much *** you and your "girlfriend" have.

And, honestly, that makes it way easier to make friendships, imo. When people are making it super obvious that they're morons, they are easy to avoid. And it makes the non-idiots stand out. :P

Plus, age doesn't really matter much once insipid behavior isn't respected. ; )
Yeah, I need to not be playing Warhammer. It's probably the most testosterone laden mmo out there.

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#40 Apr 04 2012 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Btw, Game Informer has an article in this months issue about Rift as it turns one year old. From what I read, it seemed pretty positive.

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#41 Apr 04 2012 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Elinda wrote:
People don't really want to group with a grandma-type.

I kinda miss my well balanced group that I had complete control of in Dragon Age.

Grouping Pro-Tip: Less Wynne, more Morrigan/Leliana when talking to your group mates Smiley: grin

Leliana makes me want to shoot myself. I romanced her on one play through, and immediately regretted it. I wished I could switch to Morrigan...

Alistair is my favorite companion, by far. I love his personality.
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Leliana makes me want to shoot myself. I romanced her on one play through, and immediately regretted it. I wished I could switch to Morrigan...

Best of both worlds! I romanced Morrigan, then Leliana to the first point (saying she's keen, not sleeping with her). Then Morrigan demanded that I end it with Leliana so I did but Leliana stayed friendly and said she was happy for Morrigan & I. Then I did the "harden Leliana" side quest and she told me she loved me and I slept with her. Morrigan is still at +100 (Love) with me and all that entails and doesn't mention it to me.

This leads to entertaining dialogue chains where one minute Morrigan tells Leliana she doesn't share and making veiled threats while Leliana says "huh?" and the next minute Leliana is offering to go shoe shopping with Morrigan like they're besties Smiley: laugh

Although L no longer says "how cute!" if I kiss Morrigan in front of her and instead glares and loses affection.

Somewhere in all this Sim-Dating, there's something about darkspawn or a blight or some shit.

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Alistair is my favorite companion, by far. I love his personality.

Alistar is a whiny tard. I'd go female on my next play through to get the last romance badge but I don't know if I could put up with him in that context.

I don't wanna be king!
Ok, so marry Anora and you just have to look pretty while she does the heavy lifting
I don't wanna marry Anora!
Ok, so let Anora rule instead
You're being mean to me by not letting me be king!

I tried to marry Anora but she's all racist and shit and won't bang a dwarf.


Edited, Apr 4th 2012 3:06pm by Jophiel
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#43 Apr 04 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Btw, Game Informer has an article in this months issue about Rift as it turns one year old. From what I read, it seemed pretty positive.


Rift is fun. But with me not working, I really can't justify paying for two MMO subs. I suppose I could let my EQ2 sub go F2P for a while and pay for Rift for a couple of months. While the questing and grouping is nothing new in that game, the rifts and invasions are pretty fun. Thing is, that's all there is to that game. So it really doesn't hold my attention for more than a month or two. There's tons of crap to do in EQ2 that doesn't always involve a lot of fighting or questing, so that's what keeps drawing me back.
#44 Apr 04 2012 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If you harden Alistair, he actually looks forward to being king. If you choose him to duel Loghain, he'll execute him without even looking to you for approval.

He's also a lot more decisive. When you have to figure out what to do with Anora, he makes a really rational choice and backs it up. He doesn't do the "BUT I DON'T KNOW!" stuff. He still puts her in the tower, but does so without hesitation, saying that he is well aware he might die in the blight, and that she'd be the best choice if that happened. But if he doesn't, he'll figure out what to do with her later (and she seems surprised that he showed himself to be so capable, possibly foreshadowing that she would later swear allegiance).


Unhardened (giggity) Alistair bothers me sometimes, but I like hardened (giggity) Alistair a lot. Female wardens always romance him, for me, because Zevran and Leliana bug the **** out of me.

My first Warden had the most relationship drama though. He romanced Morrigan, but then refused to kill Flemeth so she broke it off. Then he moved on to Zevran. He later refused to do the ritual with Morrigan, and then sacrificed himself, leaving them both behind, broken hearted. Smiley: lol
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Elinda wrote:
Btw, Game Informer has an article in this months issue about Rift as it turns one year old. From what I read, it seemed pretty positive.


Rift is fun. But with me not working, I really can't justify paying for two MMO subs. I suppose I could let my EQ2 sub go F2P for a while and pay for Rift for a couple of months. While the questing and grouping is nothing new in that game, the rifts and invasions are pretty fun. Thing is, that's all there is to that game. So it really doesn't hold my attention for more than a month or two. There's tons of crap to do in EQ2 that doesn't always involve a lot of fighting or questing, so that's what keeps drawing me back.


Like what, may I ask? Not being an ***, I just know next to nothing about EQ2. I've been vaguely interested in trying it for a long time, and did once, but the controls bugged me. I'd be curious to see if it's something I'd enjoy playing on a purely F2P basis.
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Maybe next time I go around, I'll have to pay Alister more attention and see if he can't be worthwhile. He annoyed me enough the last two times that he gets back-burnered just so I can avoid talking to him. The only one who gets mothballed worse is Zevran.
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#47 Apr 04 2012 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Does anyone here play something other than Dragon Age: Origins over and over? Seriously, people, it came out like 3 years ago. Time to move on.

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Edited, Apr 4th 2012 5:00pm by Eske
#48 Apr 04 2012 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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If his general dialogue annoys you, he won't get better. But he's less stupid at/after the Landsmeet if you harden him. Also of note, you can have a threesome with Isabela if he's hardened. If you aren't a female noble, and are romancing him, he will break it off after becoming king if he is unhardened.

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Does anyone here play something other than Dragon Age: Origins over and over? Seriously, people, it came out like 3 years ago. Time to move on.


It's still a great game, and has nice replay value. Particularly for an RPG.

Edited, Apr 4th 2012 5:06pm by idiggory
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#49 Apr 04 2012 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Does anyone here play something other than Dragon Age: Origins over and over? Seriously, people, it came out like 3 years ago. Time to move on.

Smiley: motz

Edited, Apr 4th 2012 5:00pm by Eske


As much as everyone jabbers on about it here I'm actually considering downloading it and trying it out myself. You know, like then I can take a break from replaying old FF games. Smiley: nod
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#50 Apr 04 2012 at 3:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Back in the day, this was accomplished by making positive relationships in game and having a group of people you could log in and hang with.
The lack of this these days in WOW is what crippled the game for me. I feel that the automated looking for group tool has ruined the game.
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#51 Apr 04 2012 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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As much as everyone jabbers on about it here I'm actually considering downloading it and trying it out myself. You know, like then I can take a break from replaying old FF games. Smiley: nod

I think it's going on a big sale soon (within the next day or two) on Amazon. Keep an eye on the deals thread in the Other Games forum.
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