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#152 Jan 26 2012 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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You don't think you're at all projecting maybe?
I am using my three years experience there.


And how many times were you shot at even though no one had peed on a dead soldier recently?

Getting the point yet?

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What are you using as the basis for your belief? I'll wait.


An ability to think for myself? An ability to separate patterns of behavior? An ability to actually differentiate between the actions of those who are already enemies and those who are not? Perhaps the fact that I interact with people who live in that part of the world all the time who aren't involved in fighting the US, or trying to kill people, but just want to make their world a better place for themselves and their children.


You've seen only the worst parts. That might just be coloring your perspective a bit.
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gbaji wrote:
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You don't think you're at all projecting maybe?
I am using my three years experience there.


And how many times were you shot at even though no one had peed on a dead soldier recently?

Getting the point yet?


Oh come on. Even you're capable of realizing that that's fallacious. Smiley: rolleyes
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#154 Jan 26 2012 at 8:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "appropriate level of punishment" is the greater amount of punishment they're facing. You're just parroting empty rhetoric.
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And how many times were you shot at even though no one had peed on a dead soldier recently?
I know you don't get your news from anywhere and just repeat what you're told to obediently, but it has already happened. Nice try though, let's you use the ignorance card.

Getting the point yet?
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An ability to think for myself?
Oh, so we're just going straight to the lies now? Okay, then I'm using my super psychic abilities to read their minds and it turns out you're wrong. Trump that.
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Perhaps the fact that I interact with people who live in that part of the world all the time
If that's the case, then I guess my interactions with you is evidence that everyone in California is an idiot. Well, considering the Governator situation at least mine has plausibility. Phone calls and computer meetings, huh. Yeah, that is so much interaction. Try real interactions. You know? Face to face? Over there in their culture, not the other way around? While you're there see what happens when you decide to do things that are against their customs and beliefs. See how that goes. I'll continue to wait.
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You've seen only the worst parts.
I guess if that assumption makes you feel better at how vehemently you're trying to spin your ridiculous mimicry as "your own personal viewpoint you thought up all by yourself," then so be it. I mean, it's not true and I've said in several places how much I enjoyed the people and time I spent there (and I looooved the food they gave us) but you saying it was otherwise must be true.

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#155 Jan 26 2012 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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Perry likened it to when Patton peed in the Rhine. That's WAY closer to "A-OK" than what it actually was--an act of desecration.
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#156 Jan 26 2012 at 11:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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And how many times were you shot at even though no one had peed on a dead soldier recently?


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For every one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably thousands who will say that none of that sort of activity ever came from Herman Cain.


Republican logic remains infallable! If only Gbaji was speaking to a Pubby debate audience, we might actually buy it. We're a bit more edumacated than that crowd, though.
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#157 Jan 27 2012 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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And how many times were you shot at even though no one had peed on a dead soldier recently?


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For every one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably thousands who will say that none of that sort of activity ever came from Herman Cain.


Republican logic remains infallable! If only Gbaji was speaking to a Pubby debate audience, we might actually buy it. We're a bit more edumacated than that crowd, though.



Not all of us Right-wingers are driveling idiots. Gbaji is what I call a Republican-Hack. He will make excuses for, defend, or otherwise stonewall bulletproof evidence against a Republican. I'll bet my left nut and a 12 pack of beer he thinks Newt Gingrich is the greatest thing on Earth next to Jesus himself.

I, not for one minute, will defend, make excuses, or otherwise dismiss Cain's or Gingrich's poor behavior. You Leftists can have your fun with them. ****, I might even join in on the prodding.


Though I dislike most of the GOP as much as I do the Leftists and often I see too many similarities.

Which is why I'm a Libertarian.Smiley: smile

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Edited, Jan 26th 2012 11:42pm by NaughtyWord
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#158 Jan 27 2012 at 1:22 AM Rating: Excellent
NW, you are confused.

gbaji cares not one whit for GOP or DEM.

It's all about money.


Because money>people to him.

I can't figure out why.

I'm guessing it's his love for ancient gods of power, like Baal...or Moloch.
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NW, you are confused.

gbaji cares not one whit for GOP or DEM.

It's all about money.


Because money>people to him.

I can't figure out why.

I'm guessing it's his love for ancient gods of power, like Baal...or Moloch.


This reminds me of one of the books that my husband received for Christmas from his mother.


#160Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 2:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ??? I guess you haven't been paying attention? I admitted to being wrong like 3 times already. I'm trying to get him to do the same. He claimed that there is a situation where your new rank would earn you less money and as a result, you would continue to earn the higher amount until it catches up.
#161 Jan 27 2012 at 4:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dude this is scary.

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 6:36am by Uglysasquatch
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#162Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 5:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey, maybe he knows something that I don't know in reference to age limits. So, if he provides a scenario that supports his claim, then I will gladly admit to being wrong again. Until then, it appears that he's just making stuff up and trying to save face by trying to focus on what I said. He assumed that I would have tried to come up with an excuse for being wrong and after he realized I accepted my oversight, he doesn't know what to do.
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Belkira wrote:
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NW, you are confused.

gbaji cares not one whit for GOP or DEM.

It's all about money.


Because money>people to him.

I can't figure out why.

I'm guessing it's his love for ancient gods of power, like Baal...or Moloch.


This reminds me of one of the books that my husband received for Christmas from his mother.



If I saw a fantasy novel with that cover on it I'd be tempted to check it out.
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Dude this is scary.

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 6:36am by Uglysasquatch


Hey, maybe he knows something that I don't know in reference to age limits. So, if he provides a scenario that supports his claim, then I will gladly admit to being wrong again. Until then, it appears that he's just making stuff up and trying to save face by trying to focus on what I said. He assumed that I would have tried to come up with an excuse for being wrong and after he realized I accepted my oversight, he doesn't know what to do.

The ball is in his court...
No, you're the scary one. You don't even know what you're arguing. First, you want him to prove that an NCO going to officer would get paid the highest of the 2 salaries. Then, you want him to prove that an NCO would make less by becoming an officer and now you're back to wanting him to prove that an NCO gets the higher of the 2 salaries if he goes officer.


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#165 Jan 27 2012 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, now provide me an example when you would continue to make the higher amount until it catches up.
You switched again. Smiley: laugh
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#166Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 8:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're confused. To be fair though, it's due to your ignorance and inability to comprehend.
#167Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 8:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, let me help you out.. Forget everything else..
#168 Jan 27 2012 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Notice the word "if" in that sentence? Start your research there, and maybe you'll understand the actual point. Smiley: smile
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#169Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 9:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Uhh... yea.. "if" denoting a hypothetical scenario.. If that scenario CAN'T exist, then my statement is just as equally true. The only way that you would be correct is if there were a rule written some where. You can't randomly make up a rule and make it a fact because you like it. If it's not written, then you made it up.
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Nope, but nice try. Throw another ball, only $2.
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Nope, but nice try. Throw another ball, only $2.


Nope to what, that there is no AR? Show me an AR or policy that supports what you say. Hypothetical or not, if it's possible, then there is a rule. If there is no rule, then there is no rule.

Let me break it down. Source your claim...Where did you find this information?

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 5:14pm by Almalieque
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Nope to your theory and spinning.

I'll give you a free toss, because watching you flail helplessly isn't nearly as fun as lowering a rope just out of your reach. Look up Warrant Officer policies. Smiley: smile
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#173Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 9:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pretty sure that I said 2LT.
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Not looking it up from fear, huh. That's fine.
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#175Almalieque, Posted: Jan 27 2012 at 9:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you can't provide an AR supporting your claim, then you're full of trash. I have 6 hours till my RR flight.. so I have plenty of time to +1
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Whatever helps you hide from reality, sweety. Smiley: smile


I'm sorry, what AR was that again?

I apologize if you don't like me accepting unheard rules with no sources.
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Like I said: Whatever helps you need to hide from reality, sweety. I know, as an officer that fear shakes you to inaction so I'm not at all surprised you're too afraid to do even the most minute amount of leg work. I'd even let you take credit for finding it all by yourself, like a big boy. Smiley: smile
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Like I said: Whatever helps you need to hide from reality, sweety. I know, as an officer that fear shakes you to inaction so I'm not at all surprised you're too afraid to do even the most minute amount of leg work. I'd even let you take credit for finding it all by yourself, like a big boy. Smiley: smile


Still looking for that AR to support your claim? I'll wait.
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Whatever helps you hide from reality. Smiley: smile


Yes, an AR with actual quotes would definitely assist me in reality. So, go ahead. Unfortunately, It's 25 mikes from roll call and I don't know if we can come back here in the waiting room to wait out the remaining 5 hours ><. I may or may not be back today.. So if not, I'll have to continue our conversation at a later time.
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You're confused.
I'm confused? You're the one who can't stick to what it is you want him to prove.
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Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.
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I want to see him circle around again.
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Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.


No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining. Smiley: popcorn
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Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.


No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining. Smiley: popcorn


Smiley: dubious
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.


No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining. Smiley: popcorn


Smiley: dubious


ALMA isn't the entertaining part. It's how lolgaxe is playing off him. :P
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I'm just going to leave this here for a little light reading.

No leniency should ever be granted to crimes of that nature or the acts that prompted this thread. The U.S. military has a history of downplaying otherwise criminal acts committed by its armed forces during times of war and doesn't really need any advocates from the "let's not punish them too severely" department.

Also, Gbaji can go **** himself.

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Wuterich said his orders were based on the guidance of his platoon commander at the time. He has acknowledged the squad did not take any gunfire during the 45-minute raid.


Smiley: disappointed

It's amazing how the military prides itself on its rigid chain of command, yet when an illegal or immoral action is taken, nobody's really sure where it came from, or simply nobody gets punished.

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It's amazing how the military prides itself on its rigid chain of command, yet when an illegal or immoral action is taken, nobody's really sure where it came from, or simply nobody gets punished.


Plausible deniability or something like that. Anyway, my (least) favorite part of the story was this:

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Military prosecutors worked for more than six years to bring Wuterich to trial on manslaughter charges that could have sent him away to prison for life.
But only weeks after the long-awaited trial started, they offered Wuterich the deal that stopped the proceedings and dropped the nine counts of manslaughter.


Clearly someone was coerced into offering him a lesser plea. You don't spend 6 years building a criminal case only to throw it out the window after a sudden change of heart.
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Atrocious, but considering they had just been subject to a fatal IED I can't say I fault them for their decision to search the surrounding homes, and although they were trigger happy I really can't say I don't understand what happened. It's a scary situation to be in. Your nerves are already frayed just being there, but then to explode and have your world turn upside down is another world of horror. Then going from dark room to dark room to confirm that while you're trying to just get out alive you don't get shot at some more, with possibly attacks that can make even the thickest armor look like paper? I don't fault them for their actions. After all that, though, I still say it is a ridiculous insulting slap on the wrist. I'm not saying I believe there should be jail time (War is **** and shit happens), but something other than a ceremonial joke of a reduction is required. He's not allowed to wear his rank for a minimum of six months? Big fucking deal. Actions have consequences, we need to accept that. This just shows the rest of the world that we've decided not to be responsible for our actions, and that is the real horror of this decision.
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Lawyers also said he has been exonerated of directly causing the deaths of civilians in the two homes and insisted his only intent was to protect his Marines, calling it "honorable and noble."


Protecting life is honorable and noble, yes. But protecting your squad's life by completely disregarding the value of the innocent lives around you is atrocious.

Yeah, accidents happen. These kinds of accidents only happen when someone makes a really, really bad decision.

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The plea deal that halted Wuterich's manslaughter trial has sparked outrage in Iraq, where many said it proves the United States does not hold its military accountable for its actions.


Their argument is, frankly, sound.

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I agree with Lolgaxe--I get why you can't blame a soldier for every single civilian death. It's not like they are trying to kill innocents. Though some of the aspects of this case are really horrific. Like the testimony from one of the survivors (a child) that says they systematically executed people in the houses.

I can understand a twitch response to a quick movement in the shadows. But little else about this case is within the boundaries of what I can accept.

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What are you using as the basis for your belief? I'll wait.


An ability to think for myself? An ability to separate patterns of behavior? An ability to actually differentiate between the actions of those who are already enemies and those who are not? Perhaps the fact that I interact with people who live in that part of the world all the time who aren't involved in fighting the US, or trying to kill people, but just want to make their world a better place for themselves and their children.

You've seen only the worst parts. That might just be coloring your perspective a bit.


In business: "All of those liberals trying to use theory and mathematics to talk about the market are just stupid academics! You need real world experience to understand these things!"

In war: "Those **** soldiers are too close to the action to be objective! You have to be completely divorced from what's going on to properly analyze the situation!"

I love you, gbaji.
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I think my favorite part is gbaji trying to tell someone they're stereotyping while he is always lumps all liberals or all dems into one category. It's even better in the GOP thread where he's insisting that you can't lump all reps into one box in response to Joph and Olo talking about how the GOP wants to ban abortion.

Ah, hypocrisy.
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It's because gbaji is the only one that can think for himself. In, like... the whole world and stuff.
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I think my favorite part is gbaji trying to tell someone they're stereotyping while he is always lumps all liberals or all dems into one category.

The best is when he's responding to some other person's point and addresses his response to me. Sometimes when I haven't even posted in the thread yet.

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