Omnibus GOP Primary ThreadFollow

That's true, I guess you generally have more sammiches than babies.

On the other hand, I can say without a doubt that I've said "I love you" to more Italian beef sandwiches than women.

In before "Italian beef" **** joke.

I'm logging in for the first time in years just to point out that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

I'll preface this by saying that while the man isn't perfect, what he says is logical and makes a lot of sense. It appears you honestly have a gross misconception of Paul's policies (which is funny, I notice you fail to site any sources aside from self-proclaimed pseudo-intellectualism).

First, let's point out the fact that you want to bash Ron Paul's voting record?

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/

Because we know how Republicans all voted against the Patriot Act, its extension, the Iraq war, and so on, right? I mean, unless you're cool with war now? You seemed pretty pissed off about the Iraq war and the eroding of our civil liberties in 2004 during Bush v Kerry, in fact I respected you because of your anti-Bush and anti-war rhetoric. It seems I was wrong, you're just the counterweight to gbaji, both loyal to your parties that stand for the same thing, making the bankers and big executives richer at the expense of the middle class. To be honest, I would accuse the two of you of being trolls, since I find it hard to believe that people could be that fanatical about their own parties.

Tell me, what's your opinion on the fact that the NDAA provision was signed into law authorizing detaining and/or assassinating US citizens on US soil with no due process or representation of an attorney? Land of the free, home of the brave indeed!

Next we have the gold standard. You seem to think that Paul wants to just shut down the federal reserve overnight, which isn't the case. His plan is to phase out the federal reserve by authorizing competing commodity-based currency. Why are you okay with an independent bank lending us our own money with interest? They're the reason we have most of the national debt, they're the reason why the dollar is falling so hard. When in doubt, print, that's what Bernanke stands for!

I mean, unless you believe fiat currency is viable and that Keynesian economics are legitimate, I would absolutely love to hear your fact-based arguments against it?

But of course, the democrats disillusioned with Obama (you know, the ones that actually stand for something, (unlike Newt Gingrich or others...), the active military troops, college students who have been continuously ****** over by the baby boomers, college grads who are finding out that there are no jobs do support his ideas. Those are the people who are supporting him, not because he's saying stuff that's different (if you want a crazy, that's what Herman Cain was for!), it's because what he's saying is logical - the man's an economic scholar, predicted the economic collapse and housing bubble (common sense, so why wasn't it stopped?) bursting back in 2002.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM


Protip: Stop getting your information from Politico, Huffington Post, Maddow, O'Reilly, Matthews, or any other blatantly opinionated information sources that subtly imply you should think one way or another (read: bias). But apparently ONLY Fox News is guilty of that, am I right? Or I guess it's MSNBC if I were asking this to gbaji. You guys aren't the same person, are you? Ha ha.

Oh and good straw-man with the kindergarteners buying heroin from vending machines. Ron Paul doesn't want to legalize drugs, he wants to do away with the redundant federal bans on issues that are explicitly stated in the constitution to be the rights of the individual states to govern on. However I notice that big government liberals like yourself, Gbaji, the other 3 GOP candidates or Obama don't seem to get that you do not need the federal government involving itself in every aspect of peoples' lives.



Your post is like the US Dollar, there's a lot of it there, but it doesn't have any weight behind it. Seriously, back up any of these accusations that you've made, I would love to see it.



In other words, you have no actual argument. Politics should be about the issues, not celebrity gossip! Don't you see what's wrong with your own quote?

This two party system isn't even a two party system anyhow, we have the neoconservatives which are just democrats who jumped ship. Those of you saying Ron Paul is not a republican seem to not realize that the republicans used to be the 'peace party' before the neocon movement.

But how dare Ron Paul try to educate people, and obviously no one cares enough to hear him speak!
Go away, crazy old man. No one wants to listen to you, clearly!

Surely they wouldn't make the same mistake twice.



I actually did one of those spit takes. Genuinely, well done. I didn't know those happened in real life.

Paul picks and chooses bills to vote against when he knows that they'll pass anyway and he knows he can gain support by voting against them. It's part of his quirky politics. There's a handful like him in the House who do this all the time. Are you aware that when Paul claims to have "never voted for an earmark", while that's technically true, what he has done is actually put earmarks for himself and his district (just like nearly everyone else) into bills that are "must pass" bills, then he votes against them. Why? Because he knows they'll pass, so his vote doesn't matter *except* that it allows him to make that claim and convince people that he's some kind of political rogue or something.




Interesting. What makes it "our money"? Is that sorta like "the people's money"? I'm honestly curious what you think is going on with the banks here.



I know this may shock some people (maybe not you since you think Smash and I are the same person), but I believe that both are viable as well. Fiat currencies success is well documented and pretty obvious to anyone not wearing gold tinted lenses. And Keynesian economic theories do work. I've said so many times. I just think that some people (a lot of people) misapply them by assuming that the processes work the same when the source conditions are artificial as they do when they are naturally occurring. They don't.

But that doesn't mean that the basic concepts in terms of the effects of money supply, interest rates, etc don't work. They do. They demonstrably do.



Oddly enough, one of the few issues Smash and I do agree on (more or less) is legalization. So maybe we are the same person!?




If you believe this, you can't possibly actually understand the libertarian philosophy you claim to hold so high. Can you actually define what it is to be a libertarian? Not a member of the party (cause that's not really the same), but the actual political ideology that is most associated with being "libertarian"? Can you do that? Don't feel bad if you can't, or you have to go look it up. Most people can't actually define their own political ideology if asked. But if you're going to make strong claims about one set of policies, presumably based on a given ideology, you should really know if the policies you support, and the politician you support, really follows that ideology

Paul doesn't. The best description for Paul's politics is "Populist". He says things that are popular with the "out crowd". If war were popular, he'd be pro-war. If raising taxes were popular, he'd be pro-taxes. Don't read anything more into his positions than that.

That may have an impact in terms of majority party in the Senate (maybe). In terms of voting though, it's pretty much a non-issue. She's by far the most liberal Republican in congress. One would think she already caucuses with the Dems anyway.

On a completely unrelated note, Trine is on sale for $1.24 until tomorrow from Amazon. If you've ever enjoyed a platformer, Mr. Self-Authoring Grumpasaurus Who Hasn't Played Games in Ten Years, you owe it to yourself to drop the buck twenty-four and play it.

Yeah, and made me think I was in the wrong omnibus thread.

Fox News hasn't decided she betrayed the party ideals enough to change it to a D yet?

I'm dling Trine right now.

Unrelated to the GOP primary, but big news to Maine and semi-big news to the senate, Olympia Snowe just annouced she's not running for another term. It was a bit of a bomb-shell around here.

I saw the thing about trine and didn't really read much more. Old news.

This.

But then, why argue? I'm just happy the seat will flip and I shouldn't be bothered by however you need to rationalize it to yourself