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police brutality at occupy vancouver protest: http://twitpic.com/7k7b7o

I was using irony in the Alanis Morissette sense

Why would you say that? Most people assumed OWS would disappear once it started getting cold, but it hasn't. And it doesn't seem like it will.

And it has a lot of people, ourselves included, talking about it. Regardless of what side you fall on, that new dialogue is a pretty huge change, imo.

It hasn't started getting cold yet. Tell us they didn't in mid-January/February.

I dunno Id say its a large number of the representatives of OWS. The values expressed however are what is the point and the core value (the money gap issue) has pretty non-retarded discussion value, there is a lot of ****** **** brought into it too.

The issue with the movement is the lack of any real organization. What it has turned into is a bunch of people sitting in a park, ******** about various ****, but not really doing anything. I don't even know why Canada has an Occupy movement, it makes no sense to me when our country is trucking along and has already surpassed its pre-recession economy. I look at the Occupy Bay Street (I guess, thats where our rich people make money.) movement in Canada with disgust, these people don't have jobs because they don't want them. Alberta and Saskatchewan are screaming for workers, the NWT and NFLD is also looking for workers. Ontario and Quebec are slowly coming around but are married to the economy of the USA more than any other province (Ontario mostly). If the US populous is not spending its money, the the manufacturing sector in these provinces grinds to a halt.

I think the OWS movement is a good thing, it is poorly represented through lack of organization and thus a clear message. I don't think the discussions people have are about that. In fact this various thread has divulged into several economic related discussion covering 2 countries because of the OWS + OBS movements. (although I think OBS is an absolute crock of **** and anyone who genuinely support the Canadian movement is a lazy ****, there is work here you just have to want a job)

The issue behind OWS isn't purely "give us some sort of job" but rather about wealth disparity and the treatment of the working class by the government & corporations (versus the treatment of the upper class and corporate concerns by the same).

How these issues fit into Canadian politics, I won't presume to say but saying "Go here and get a job" misses the larger point.

That might be what you are talking about. It certainly isn't what most of the discussions I have overheard consist of. And a dialogue concerning whether or not their demands are valid is still a dialogue.



November had two weeks of freakish cold, and they didn't clear out. Yeah, a longer spell of freazing weather is going to be difficult, but they are extremely well stocked with food/blankets/etc.

Bless you for nailing on the head.

Well yeah, no one wants to live there. Cold weather is cold.

Am I the only person who thinks that numbers 1 and 3 are at odds with each other? "We want government to stop having so much power, and we want to accomplish that by having the government make more laws" seems just a wee bit contradictory.

Before it's mentioned, yes I read the whole original post, and noticed that Elinda clearly tried to differentiate between "power" and "money" in regards to the government. However, to believe that they are mutually exclusive in that area is adorably naive.

"Lower taxes!" isn't really a rallying cry of OWS. Their concern is primarily that the vast majority of politicians are upper class, which leaves one to wonder if such a gov't can actually properly represent the needs of a population that is primarily middle and lower class.

The only real tax-based objection is that they are largely pissed off that taxes are so high but go to things they don't want them to go to and very little is placed in areas they value.

The student population of OWS is more concerned about the lack of future jobs than they are the present unemployment rate.

The baby boomers who have decided to put off retirement for a while because their 401Ks evaporated in 2008 aren't helping that situation.