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#627 Nov 24 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Unless his job may also require him to:
1. Drop everything and go address the problem.
2. Actively work to solve a problem for days at a time.

In either case, the business is going to suffer because the employee's other duties aren't going to be seen to.
Both are manageable situations, most times. An example off the top of my head would be routine maintenance on equipment. It's possible that the above could happen, but realistically, unlikely that there couldn't be more stuff for him to do.
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#628 Nov 24 2011 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Well then, now that we're in agreement, what would you like to argue about instead?
Think the Sox will do OK without Theo? I think we are in for another slump.
He's made a few mistakes along the way that the enormous payroll allowed him to mask somewhat. As long as they don't act like morons with him gone, they'll be fine and continue to compete, for at least a few years.
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#629 Nov 24 2011 at 7:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Unless his job may also require him to:
1. Drop everything and go address the problem.
2. Actively work to solve a problem for days at a time.

In either case, the business is going to suffer because the employee's other duties aren't going to be seen to.
Both are manageable situations, most times. An example off the top of my head would be routine maintenance on equipment. It's possible that the above could happen, but realistically, unlikely that there couldn't be more stuff for him to do.
At work, we dropped 2 mechanics and 1 electrician (through natural attrition, no active layoffs) and guess what the result was?

A: more down time

We got rid of relief operators and one other position per shift. What do you think the result was?

A: more down time and lower good product percentage
#630 Nov 24 2011 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Were any of them sitting around for 7:55 of their shift doing nothing each day?
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#631 Nov 24 2011 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Were any of them sitting around for 7:55 of their shift doing nothing each day?
No. People like that should be fired, not laid off.
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I wonder how long this OWS thing will go on for, or if it will change anything. So far all it seems to be doing is demonstrating how helpless they are. If anything, I can see a spring of new laws restricting people's rights to protest and/or organize. This way, in about five years or so when they cut things like food stamps and medicare out completely, they can tromp down any dissent in it's early stages.

It's peaceful now, but I imagine it will become progressively violent as what teabaggers call Socialism is gradually phased out to help relieve the deficit-- all while Bush tax cuts and bank bailout equivalents continue to occur. More generations will graduate highschool/college and find themselves without adequate work, or no job at all, only to slapped in the face and told it's because they just don't work hard enough and simply don't deserve to live decently.
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#633 Nov 24 2011 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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You know what I did last night, I sat in my office playing Super Mario 3D land for 5 hours until we had a controls issue that I had to go fix. I did 3 minutes of work (turns out a proxy got oil on it and it was stuck on.) then I went and had an hour lunch. The last 2 hours of my night was spent talking with friends around the plant from the comfort of my Golf Cart.

This is exactly why people get fired. Surprise! You don't bring in nearly as much value as you cost your company, and you should be glad they aren't taking a closer look. If you got fired, no way should the company redistribute that pay to other employees - it's not like you'd be missed.

And just for the record, no, I'm not jealous. I belong to the class of people who prefer having a fulfilling job rather than one where I'm able to describe myself as a "lazy @#%^".


He may very well be providing the company a lot of value by basically acting as a cheap insurance policy for the plant breakages. It's not a huge stretch to imagine a simple problem that could cause a few hours downtime to coordinate a fix which would also cost quite a lot more in terms of both management resources combined with the opportunity cost of plant downtime.

They aren't really paying him to fix the minute things, rather paying to have him onsite for cases where there is a critical failure. I've seen cases where companies cheap out on this sort of stuff and a 5 min fix becomes a 500k problem because failures compounded without adequate supervision.


More or less this. I love sitting around waiting for stuff to break because there is only one thing I like more than playing with my 3DS while at work, and that is actually doing the job that I was hired to do, that I spent a bunch of money getting trained to do. Some days I don't have to do a damn thing, and that is welcome, some days (like this weekend for example, and the week after christmas when most are off) I have to work a lot.

Evidently the experience of some people when it comes to factory maintenance is non existent. If I am sitting on my *** that means I have done my job extremely well. It means I have set the controls to the point where they are functioning without errors. Which means I earned my money. The less I have to work in a day speaks to my ability to work. Granted I get to work on awesome days like Canada Day, Labor Day, New Years Day, (pretty much every weekend long or not) I also get to work during such glorious times as Summer and Winter shutdown when the production personnel are all off for 2 weeks with pay.

Being in maintenance has it perks and its draw backs, one of the perks just happens to be that I get a lot of free time during shift work, then again I sacrifice a lot of free time to get free time on weekends/holidays/shutdowns.

Do I like my lazy **** days. You bet I do, its why I work 7 days a week generally 49 weeks a year. Sometimes you just have to enjoy the little things.

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#634 Nov 26 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:

Some people actually prefer to be busy at work so the time passes faster as opposed to having to find a way to kill the day. I definitely prefer the days when I'm not here adding to my post count. If I'm not busy at work, I'd rather be home doing whatever I want as opposed to killing time. The only one jealous of him who's responded to his job claims is you.


I actually prefer busy days too, and I am not jealous at all. I love the work I do, especially when it is go go go. That said there can be a lot of downtime at my work too, so I resist the protestant-work-ethic-derived idea that if there is any downtime at all the workers are all lazy bastards who should be loaded up with more work.

I mean it is slow around christmas and in the summer at my job - but it doesn't make sense to cut the shop by several people because it is slow for three months a year - especially since the work requires a lot of knowledge, expertise and relationships - and when it IS busy we are all slammed and have a difficult time keeping up. It isn't the kind of work where hiring an intern or other cheap labour at the busy season is feasible.


Edited, Nov 26th 2011 1:30pm by Olorinus
#635 Nov 26 2011 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I resist the protestant-work-ethic-derived idea that if there is any downtime at all the workers are all lazy bastards who should be loaded up with more work.
When someone's bragging about working only 5 minutes in an 8 hour shift, deriding them is hardly a "protestant-work-ethic-derived idea that if there is any downtime at all the workers are all lazy bastards who should be loaded up with more work." 5 minutes work in 8 hours and bragging about it is lazy.
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#636 Nov 26 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
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its actually ******* sweet is what it is, what did you today? me I am on my way out the door to do a 12 hour shift, so I can have days during the week where I only work 5 minutes. That and so the process run smoothly so the company meets shipment.

But ya bring on the 5 minute work day, I love making 200 bucks for 5 minutes of work. It is almost as good as getting paid to take a ****. (which imo is the best on the job perk, i love both money and **********
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#637 Nov 26 2011 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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I must admit, my work days often involve as little as half an hour of work time...with six hours of driving. And I get paid for mileage.
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what did you today?
Took the kids to swimming lessons, washed some dishes, took a nap and made money off the businesses I'm part owner in. I also took two ***** today. I too, love making money and *********
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#639 Nov 26 2011 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
I usually only have an hour of guaranteed work most days. In the afternoon, part of my job is acting as backup to the admins (as I've mentioned before) which means answering the phone and surfing the Internet.

To be fair, part of my internet surfing is also work related, since I'm the one who is supposed to keep her finger on the pulse of the tech world. I'm a slashdot karma *****, and regularly argue with people on John C Dvorak's blogs at PC Magazine...
#640 Nov 26 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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rdmcandie wrote:
what did you today?

I drank a few glasses of wine and learned a new word. It's called "do".
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I usually only have an hour of guaranteed work most days. In the afternoon, part of my job is acting as backup to the admins (as I've mentioned before) which means answering the phone and surfing the Internet.

To be fair, part of my internet surfing is also work related, since I'm the one who is supposed to keep her finger on the pulse of the tech world. I'm a slashdot karma *****, and regularly argue with people on John C Dvorak's blogs at PC Magazine...

Do you listen to any TWiT podcasts? Dvorak is a good friend of Leo Laporte.
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what did you today?

I accidentally the whole thing.
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what did you today?

I drank a few glasses of wine and learned a new word. It's called "do".


sometimes i think i love you.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
When someone's bragging about working only 5 minutes in an 8 hour shift, deriding them is hardly a "protestant-work-ethic-derived idea that if there is any downtime at all the workers are all lazy bastards who should be loaded up with more work." 5 minutes work in 8 hours and bragging about it is lazy.

When I worked Master Control for a television station, I could have everything set up and loaded and ready to go in under ten minutes. After that, it was all automated and my job was to hang around, take the FCC required meter readings every couple hours and be there in case anything exploded. Mainly I sat around fucking with the satellite dishes trying to pick up cable feeds, eating pizza and having sex with my girlfriend.

Nice work if you can get it.
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When I was in college I worked 6 hours a night as a boiler-operator for awhile. There were these big old boilers that heated a private hanger at the mpls airport. By law they had to be checked every two hours. So I checked them. It took me about 5 mins to walk down to the boiler room, look at a couple gauges and sign a sheet. Then I went back up to a pilot's lounge and did homework.

I had to get licensed but it just meant taking a test that was all based on one 95 page manual.



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ITT: Ugly is bitter.
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ITT: Ugly is bitter.
Sure am. I hate the fact that people ***** about companies laying people off and then turn around and brag about how they do sweet fuck all while at work and think that's great. Fucking mind boggling.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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ITT: Ugly is bitter.
Sure am. I hate the fact that people ***** about companies laying people off and then turn around and brag about how they do sweet fuck all while at work and think that's great. Fucking mind boggling.

I'm not ******** about anything right now, especially considering it's BoA that I do work for. Smiley: grin
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I'm not ******** about anything right now
Then I guess that doesn't apply to you. Smiley: smile
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I never complained about the TV station laying anyone off Smiley: grin

It was actually automation that put me into that position. When I started, the job wasn't exactly back-breaking but it did require more action on my part since each tape had to be manually switched over by myself and we had fewer decks so I had to do a lot more cuing. Then they added more decks and automated all the switching via computer so all I had to do was load up and cue all the programming, set the switch times on the computer and then be around in case something went wrong. You don't want the broadcast to go haywire and have no one around to quickly fix it (besides that being against FCC regulations) so you wound up just having a babysitter for eight hours.

Like any good babysitter, you immediately put the kids to bed, ordered pizza, watched movies and had your SO over to fuck on the couch.

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 11:14am by Jophiel
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Debalic wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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ITT: Ugly is bitter.
Sure am. I hate the fact that people ***** about companies laying people off and then turn around and brag about how they do sweet fuck all while at work and think that's great. Fucking mind boggling.

I'm not ******** about anything right now, especially considering it's BoA that I do work for. Smiley: grin


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