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And gbaji also fails to understand the difference between people who choose "no religion" and "atheism" on their census forms.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Sweetums wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
By all means, start up a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching non-deity based ethical lessons to people, get it classified as a "church" and then you can qualify. Not like anything is stopping anyone from doing this. But most people are atheists because they don't want to get involved in organizations which teach others to be nice to each other. They'd rather stand around and be smug about how much smarter they are than all the people who do.
It's a choice though.
Uhhh...
Great! So there's no problem with the policy then.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
By all means, start up a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching non-deity based ethical lessons to people, get it classified as a "church" and then you can qualify
You have absolutely no idea if this is true or not, given that you're not privy to the decision making process of this city government. I would assume that this is not the case or else the city government could have initially reached out to non-faith based community service organizations in addition to local churches. But unless you have some sort of actual evidence that a "non-deity based ethical lessons" program would be acceptable (and you don't), you should probably withhold from just making stuff up and insisting that it's true.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
By all means, start up a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching non-deity based ethical lessons to people, get it classified as a "church" and then you can qualify. Not like anything is stopping anyone from doing this. But most people are atheists because they don't want to get involved in organizations which teach others to be nice to each other. They'd rather stand around and be smug about how much smarter they are than all the people who do.
It's a choice though.
Crass, but whatever.
You have no idea what the decision making process is for this policy, you can't make predictions about what groups would be accepted or not.
Also, I'm fairly sure that there are dozens of non-prophet, sorry, non-profit organisations in the USA that would fit those criteria nicely. Why haven't they been approached, I wonder?
edit: Didn't see last page, so what Joph said.
Edited, Sep 30th 2011 6:52am by Nilatai
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Also, I'm fairly sure that there are dozens of non-prophet, sorry, non-profit organisations in the USA that would fit those criteria nicely. Why haven't they been approached, I wonder?
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Also, I'm fairly sure that there are dozens of non-prophet, sorry, non-profit organisations in the USA that would fit those criteria nicely. Why haven't they been approached, I wonder?
Of course I do, the ACLU wouldn't be making such a stink of secular options were available. If approached, they would be available, because secularists are good people. Duh.
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Also, I'm fairly sure that there are dozens of non-prophet, sorry, non-profit organisations in the USA that would fit those criteria nicely. Why haven't they been approached, I wonder?
Articles about the topic have the police chief talking about how he (they) designed the program around conversations and outreach with local churches. He didn't mention any secular community organizations and so I'd put the safe money on them never being part of the equation. I certainly can't prove that he didn't ask them so I'll wait for someone to show that he did.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Also, once again, we're dealing with the south here. And worse, small town south. You know, Children of the Corn type stuff (even though that wasn't in the south, but you get the idea). Around here, it's Baptist or GTFO.
Nadenu wrote:
Around here, it's Baptist or GTFO.
Southern or Independent? You're one of those liberal Baptists, aren't you!?!?!
In all seriousness, my first experience with church was Southern Baptist. That's the scariest **** you can ever go through. I'm not sure why I even bothered to go back to church once I got a little older. I just know that when I did, I made sure it was First Baptist.
Now I've been Baptist-free for over 20 years.
Now I've been Baptist-free for over 20 years.
Who decides what qualifies as a church or not?
Nilatai wrote:
Of course I do, the ACLU wouldn't be making such a stink of secular options were available.
Atleast make a credible argument like Joph did. ACLU making a stink allows you to assume, but given the likelihood of activist groups to over react, it's hardly evidence. Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Who decides what qualifies as a church or not?
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Who decides what qualifies as a church or not?
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Who decides what qualifies as a church or not?
maybe
Nadenu wrote:
Also, once again, we're dealing with the south here. And worse, small town south. You know, Children of the Corn type stuff (even though that wasn't in the south, but you get the idea). Around here, it's Baptist or GTFO.
Sweetums knows. I'm sure she's been terrified by one of those hellfire and brimstone preachers before.
Ugh.
Ugh.
Oh, man, they do try.
As much as they try to frighten and offend you, traveling street preachers are mostly really entertaining.
As much as they try to frighten and offend you, traveling street preachers are mostly really entertaining.
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Who decides what qualifies as a church or not?
maybe
9? Too old for Usagi.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
LockeColeMA wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Quit making stuff up and you'll realize that I'm not as "Stupid" as you think.
Oh hey, I never said you were stupid. Quit making stuff up and you won't come off as "stupid" as you do.
Hence the quotes...
Nilatai wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Quit making stuff up and you'll realize that I'm not as "Stupid" as you think.
Oh hey, I never said you were stupid. Quit making stuff up and you won't come off as "stupid" as you do.
Other people called his opinions stupid. Well, I did. That's where he got confused, bless him.
I've said already that I use the word "you" to represent anyone in the numerous responses that I receive. I'm not going to necessarily point an individual out, unless you request so as Belkira did and I actually care.
Almalieque wrote:
I've said already that I use the word "you" to represent anyone in the numerous responses that I receive. I'm not going to necessarily point an individual out, unless you request so as Belkira did and I actually care.
When you directly quote someone - in this case, Locke - and repeatedly use the word "you", the very obvious and justified assumption is that you're talking about the person you quoted. No one cares if, at some vague point in the past, you wrote a disclaimer about the word "you" and how it's always universal. Nobody is interested enough in your crap to remember a thing like that. ****, even Joph could make that same claim and no one would care, because it's too goddamn pretentious and self-centered.
Derp, wrong thread.
Edited, Oct 1st 2011 12:38pm by Nilatai
Edited, Oct 1st 2011 12:38pm by Nilatai
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Just stop fucking talking to him and he'll go away again, and we'll never have to read his ******** again.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
I've said already that I use the word "you" to represent anyone in the numerous responses that I receive. I'm not going to necessarily point an individual out, unless you request so as Belkira did and I actually care.
When you directly quote someone - in this case, Locke - and repeatedly use the word "you", the very obvious and justified assumption is that you're talking about the person you quoted. No one cares if, at some vague point in the past, you wrote a disclaimer about the word "you" and how it's always universal. Nobody is interested enough in your crap to remember a thing like that. sh*t, even Joph could make that same claim and no one would care, because it's too goddamn pretentious and self-centered.
It doesn't bother me that you don't care, I'm just letting you know that you're being unnecessarily "bothered"/"concerned" about something that's not true. If you decide to continue take offense when I already explained otherwise, then so be it. Just seems like a waste of energy to me.
Timelordwho wrote:
Yo, Alma, do you think we should give the choice of prison time or **** sucking for our misdemeanor felons? Would that be a fair choice, or not matter because they are being given a choice?
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