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You don't have to agree with it, but you do have to abide by it. That kind of puts this to rest, don't you think?
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Almalieque wrote:
Quit making stuff up and you'll realize that I'm not as "Stupid" as you think.
Oh hey, I never said you were stupid. Quit making stuff up and you won't come off as "stupid" as you do.
gbaji wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
I'd like to see you argue for this should a Muslim want to go to their Mosque instead of jail for illegal weapons possession.
Yeah. I don't think anyone specified that this can only be a Christian church. I think the point that's being lost here is that this is a policy being enacted in one small town. It doesn't affect anyone outside that town. The only issue is how this policy might be implemented (or not!) elsewhere. I'd assume that any organization meeting the standard filing classification for "churches" would qualify.
LockeColeMA wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Quit making stuff up and you'll realize that I'm not as "Stupid" as you think.
Oh hey, I never said you were stupid. Quit making stuff up and you won't come off as "stupid" as you do.
Other people called his opinions stupid. Well, I did. That's where he got confused, bless him.
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
I'd like to see you argue for this should a Muslim want to go to their Mosque instead of jail for illegal weapons possession.
Yeah. I don't think anyone specified that this can only be a Christian church. I think the point that's being lost here is that this is a policy being enacted in one small town. It doesn't affect anyone outside that town. The only issue is how this policy might be implemented (or not!) elsewhere. I'd assume that any organization meeting the standard filing classification for "churches" would qualify.
I read that post still don't care. I believe that the major religions all provide a base foundation for trying to make people better people (as Eske has already pointed out). I also recognize the fact that the people have an option to not go to church and instead accept jail time. I know in some demented reality, some of you don't see that as a situation where there's a choice, but the truth is that there is a choice.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
I'd like to see you argue for this should a Muslim want to go to their Mosque instead of jail for illegal weapons possession.
Yeah. I don't think anyone specified that this can only be a Christian church. I think the point that's being lost here is that this is a policy being enacted in one small town. It doesn't affect anyone outside that town. The only issue is how this policy might be implemented (or not!) elsewhere. I'd assume that any organization meeting the standard filing classification for "churches" would qualify.
I read that post still don't care. I believe that the major religions all provide a base foundation for trying to make people better people (as Eske has already pointed out). I also recognize the fact that the people have an option to not go to church and instead accept jail time. I know in some demented reality, some of you don't see that as a situation where there's a choice, but the truth is that there is a choice.
It's about as worthy as being considered a choice as getting to choose being shot in the foot or being shot in the heart. Yeah, you get to make a choice. But you're ignoring every single standard that constitutes free will if you think it's actually a free one.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
That's a terrible comparison that's not even close to the reality. Your bias is terrible and completely blinding you. If this were happening in Canada, in a predominantly Anglican area, where homosexuality is accepted by the church, I don't think you'd even have an issue with this.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
No, it isn't.
This is a case where you are given a choice between freedom or incarceration. That cannot be considered a free choice--it's coercion.
[EDIT]
And lol, you think this is because some churches hate gay people? You're not even remotely close. Have churches constituted a strong portion of the social-conservative movement? Yes. But they're also integrally important to gay liberation history--and continue to be.
Edited, Sep 29th 2011 1:08pm by idiggory
This is a case where you are given a choice between freedom or incarceration. That cannot be considered a free choice--it's coercion.
[EDIT]
And lol, you think this is because some churches hate gay people? You're not even remotely close. Have churches constituted a strong portion of the social-conservative movement? Yes. But they're also integrally important to gay liberation history--and continue to be.
Edited, Sep 29th 2011 1:08pm by idiggory
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
No, it isn't.
This is a case where you are given a choice between freedom or incarceration. That cannot be considered a free choice--it's coercion.
This is a case where you are given a choice between freedom or incarceration. That cannot be considered a free choice--it's coercion.
Edited, Sep 29th 2011 2:17pm by Uglysasquatch
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
I never would have said that someone choosing community service over jail was making a free choice, so you haven't really given me any reason to see this as a meaningful one.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I never would have said that someone choosing community service over jail was making a free choice, so you haven't really given me any reason to see this as a meaningful one.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'd be all for a community service option
It is a choice though. It's a choice like putting a steak and a giant beetle in front me and telling me to choose one to eat. Both serve the purpose of filling me up with something my body can use as fuel. One's just far more appetizing to me.
Edited, Sep 29th 2011 2:36pm by Uglysasquatch
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
My problem is that they are being forced into religion, not that they are being forced to do something in general.
And it is a choice. It's just not a free one.
And it is a choice. It's just not a free one.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
My problem is that they are being forced into religion
Besides, the only issue with them going into religion is your own bias against it. You have yet to show even one rational reason against religion, other than your own disdain for it.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
As far as I'm concerned, an unfree choice is as good as being forced into it.
And the issue with them going into religion isn't my bias with it, it's that I absolutely don't agree with a link between gov't and any religious beliefs--theistic, atheistic or otherwise.
And the issue with them going into religion isn't my bias with it, it's that I absolutely don't agree with a link between gov't and any religious beliefs--theistic, atheistic or otherwise.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Yeah. I don't think anyone specified that this can only be a Christian church. I think the point that's being lost here is that this is a policy being enacted in one small town. It doesn't affect anyone outside that town. The only issue is how this policy might be implemented (or not!) elsewhere. I'd assume that any organization meeting the standard filing classification for "churches" would qualify.
Of course I read his post. But it's kinda irrelevant, isn't it? Presumably the churches available in an area reflect the worship needs of the people who live in the area. This is why it's relevant to mention that this is a single application of this policy in one small town. Presumably, if a larger city with a more diverse religious population were to enact something like this, there would be churches participating in the program reflecting that more diverse population. It's a bit of a stretch to argue that this is some kind of "Christian only" thing.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
It's actually an application in the county, not a single town. But I agree (and previously said) that the county probably doesn't have a lot of Jewish people or Muslims in lock-up based on the notion that there's probably not a significant population of Jews, Muslims, pagans, whatever around the county to get arrested.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
It's actually an application in the county, not a single town. But I agree (and previously said) that the county probably doesn't have a lot of Jewish people or Muslims in lock-up based on the notion that there's probably not a significant population of Jews, Muslims, pagans, whatever around the county to get arrested.
Though that doesn't mean there are none. It's not like going across county limits for worship is unprecedented--quite the opposite. If it's a huge county, that would be limited to the outskirts more or less. But a small population of people who would request a different religion doesn't erase the problem that this is a clear union of gov't linking itself to religion.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
One would think, but apparently they're just supposed to be happy getting the "choice" between church or prison.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But a small population of people who would request a different religion doesn't erase the problem that this is a clear union of gov't linking itself to religion.
I'm not entirely comfortable with the project itself. I just don't think that lamenting the lack of local mosques is the best criticism of it.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But a small population of people who would request a different religion doesn't erase the problem that this is a clear union of gov't linking itself to religion.
I'm not entirely comfortable with the project itself. I just don't think that lamenting the lack of local mosques is the best criticism of it.
Oh I agree. My biggest issues with it were detailed in the first page of this thread, and they have nothing to do with religion.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
One would think, but apparently they're just supposed to be happy getting the "choice" between church or prison.
Well, y'know, most hated group in America and all that
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
By all means, start up a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching non-deity based ethical lessons to people, get it classified as a "church" and then you can qualify. Not like anything is stopping anyone from doing this. But most people are atheists because they don't want to get involved in organizations which teach others to be nice to each other. They'd rather stand around and be smug about how much smarter they are than all the people who do.
It's a choice though.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Quote:
It's a choice though.
But hardly a meaningful one.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Atheists/those of no religion are the largest minority in your country. Larger that all non-Christian denominations combined (almost five times as large, actually). Surely that alone should denote the need for a completely secular option?
By all means, start up a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching non-deity based ethical lessons to people, get it classified as a "church" and then you can qualify. Not like anything is stopping anyone from doing this. But most people are atheists because they don't want to get involved in organizations which teach others to be nice to each other. They'd rather stand around and be smug about how much smarter they are than all the people who do.
It's a choice though.
Uhhh...
Edited, Sep 29th 2011 7:21pm by Sweetums
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