Don't ask, don't tell, don't persueFollow

That makes it right? That's what the military for the shining city on a hill should shoot for? Status quo?

So you are a homophobic bigot then, because I am perceiving it as such.

It's not. But the military shouldn't be a place to arbitrarily take away rights and freedoms just because "It's the military!"

Maybe the body of people supposedly tasked with defending our freedoms should have a slightly more justifiable reason for taking freedoms away.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Your commander in Chief & a court order.



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It is a fact that a heterosexual, before DADT repeal, could talk about their "sexual preferences, encounters and/or desires" without fear of being kicked out of the military while a homosexual could not. Not only is it unfair, but it's wrong considering our country was founded on the notion that "all men are created equal".



Close: In reality, it's similar to what Christian Church's believe in regards to homosexuality. It's ok to be "gay", it's not ok to act upon it. Sodomy was/is against the military code of conduct, "being gay" was not. Furthermore, since at least 1999, active duty National Guardsman & Reservists were allowed to be homosexual & serve (In fact, this was allowed to stop straight men from pretending to be gay in order to not get deployed!)



I understand that DADT was a compromise & believe it was unfair to homosexuals. If DADT banned everyone from discussing sexual orientation (it didn't, it banned asking about it), then it would have been a fair compromise. Unreasonable? Sure, but more fair since it didn't single out one sexual orientation as acceptable & another as not.

[quote-Alma]You're such a hypocrite it's ridiculous. Just above, I'm telling you how homosexuals have ALWAYS been discriminated against and you're saying "well that's just not right". Here we're talking about segregation of men and women and how that's not right and you're saying "well it's ALWAYS been that way".[/quote]

Homosexuals have been discriminated against since 1942, in the military. It has never been "right". The separation of men & woman in situations where their naughty bits could show isn't "wrong" because it doesn't disenfranchise either group. Heck, segregated schools would have been upheld in Brown vs The Board of Education if those schools were equal. Since men's & women's showers are equal, it does not violate the constitution, unlike the racially segregated schools. It HAS always been this way.



It is logical to segregate restrooms by sex because men's rooms have urinals to accommodate a man's needs & woman's rooms have sit down toilets & tampon machines to accommodate women's needs. Gender segregated restrooms are a tradition that disenfranchises neither sex, while DADT singles out a single sexual orientation & disenfranchises that group.



Cite? Evidence? First hand experience? Do you have anything at all to support this? lolgaxe says you're wrong & since he is both military & able to convey his thoughts by using the written word effectively I'm going to have to agree with him, that you're ******* lying, until such a time that you can PROVE otherwise.



Until such time that you can prove that the military now allows homosexual couples to bunk up together & disallows heterosexual couples from doing the same, I'm going to have to say there is NO discrimination against heterosexuals in the military resulting from DADT repeal. Prove otherwise & that argument may hold some weight.



What does the US military realize? (Use a complete sentence). Homosexuals are still discriminated against because of the DOMA, which is why they don't get the federal benefits that heterosexual married couples get. This is also wrong.



There is a difference & it's wrong, but this is a separate subject.

So, since DADT was repealed last month, what's changed Alma? How has it effected you, personally? How do you feel about those changes? And, just what are your overall thoughts on homosexuals, in general?

Also, do you love the ****, hate the ****, or fear the ****?

Ran out of time, will have to do your post in breaks, but this is important to be a stand alone.



So how is that different from "SSM isn't discrimination because both sexes are treated equally. Separation but Equal was wrong because the schools weren't equal. Since both sexes are treated the same, there is no discrimination on sexuality."

I've been arguing this same exact argument forever and you were no where to be found. Well, I'm glad that someone else has agreed with me. So next time when we start talking about SSM, don't go changing your tune. You agree with me.



That doesn't make it logical. Now are you or are you not going to give me a logical explanation on why men and women have ALWAYS been separated by sex? For the Pete's sake, will you just admit that it's the same reason why some heterosexual men don't want to shower with homosexual men?

It's the same exact thing. It's just a double standard. I accept it. I don't expect it to change, nor do I really want it to change. Just man up and admit that it's the same reason as opposed to trying to talk around it.

Provide a reason other than "it's not fair" against me owning you. Fairness and equality(such as it is) are the basis of most of our human rights you moron.

Edited, Oct 10th 2011 7:15am by Nilatai

I take your point.

Yeah, that's the thing. Alma can wring his hands all day over how there should be just one bathroom, but I don't know ANY men that want to hear or see what a woman is doing in there. My husband doesn't even want to be around that stuff. I'm guessing Alma doesn't really know what a period is, what goes on during said period, and how it can be uncomfortable for everyone involved.

After adding a wife and two daughters, every bathroom is now a shared bathroom. Un-discarded soiled pads and such is just another fun part of life.