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#477 Oct 07 2011 at 5:35 AM Rating: Excellent

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Since you're so willing to explain everything else, why wont you break it down for me as why that is such?

It's as simple as "I type for my own benefit". Humoring your asinine question didn't amuse me but pointing out how asinine it was did. Anyway, I already did answer it and you haven't yet explained how my answer was inadequate to the situation at hand.

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If you accept the fact that double standards exist, as you are stating above, then you must actually argue something more than "it's discrimination or it's not fair"

Not at all. "It's discrimination" is an excellent reason to stop something all by itself. The question is, can the other side come up with a defense for that discrimination to justify it? In the case of women serving in the infantry, most people agree that there reason justifies the discrimination. In the case of DADT, they didn't think the defense was good enough.

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#478 REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 7:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All that babbling by you radical lefties and you still can't answer the only question that should matter. Does allowing homosexuals strengthen or weaken our military. Of course we all know that it weakens it but you keep running around like chickens with your heads cut off; that's always amusing to watch as well. Give the men joining a choice of whether or not they want to bunk with a real open in touch with his feminine side **** and you'll find out just how popular this liberal social experiment is.

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#479 Oct 07 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent

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Still pretending that question wasn't asked and answered decades ago I see.

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#480 Oct 07 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent

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We did answer it. You just didn't get the answer you want so you're pretending you didn't hear it.

But if it matters that much to you, start a drive to reinstate DADT and be sure to include your brilliant reasons so lots of people sign on.

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#481 REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 8:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,

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#482 Oct 07 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent

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You're going to petition to ban the Catholic Church?

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#483 Almalieque, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 8:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess you completely overlooked my entire equality vs fairness argument where I explicitly said the opposite of that notion.

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#485 Almalieque, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 9:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's only legitimate if you're against discrimination. You can't support it, then turn around and use it as your base argument whenever it doesn't benefit you. That's like you joining the klan and saying that they shouldn't discriminate against Hispanics because your wife is Hispanic and that's "wrong". How does that make Hispanics any different from any other group hated?

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#486 Oct 07 2011 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent

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This was never serious, only out of fun and games and you spent more time playing than it would have taken to just answer the question. As a result, you can't say "time" was an issue.

Did I say "time" was the issue? I'm pretty sure I said the dumb question was the issue.

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It's only legitimate if you're against discrimination. You can't support it, then turn around and use it as your base argument whenever it doesn't benefit you. That's like you joining the klan and saying that they shouldn't discriminate against Hispanics because your wife is Hispanic and that's "wrong". How does that make Hispanics any different from any other group hated?

It doesn't. But then we're not talking about Hispanics and the KKK. We're talking about two disparate groups being denied two disparate things for two disparate reasons. The only common bonds are that they're both being denied something and the military. That's not really enough to start playing the "you need to be equal in being against discrimination" card.

My feeling that DADT was rightfully repealed also doesn't affect my feeling that discrimination is appropriate when denying a 4'3" person a firefighting job, telling school children they can't get married and saying that practicing Mormons can't take vows as a Roman Catholic priest. I'm just wacky that way.

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#487 Almalieque, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You went off the deep on that. I'm not talking about discrimination in a universal sense. I gave specific examples, i.e., SSM, KKK and the military. This is a very simple concept. If you ACCEPT discrimination from a discriminating organization, then you can't simply use discrimination as a reason to do or not to do anything.

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#488 Oct 07 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent

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Almalieque wrote:

I'm pretty sure I addressed both issues in the previous post.

Obviously not.

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I'm not comparing the discrimination of one organization to the discrimination of another organization. I'm comparing the discrimination all within one organization.

I'm against refusing a firefighting position to someone because he's black. I'm okay with it because he's 4'3" and weights 35lbs.

Crazy!

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#489 Oct 07 2011 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent

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Jophiel wrote:

I'm against refusing a firefighting position to someone because he's black. I'm okay with it because he's 4'3" and weights 35lbs.

Crazy!

You just don't get it, Joph. If you discriminate for one thing, then you have to discriminate for everything. It's all or nothing! To hell with analysis!

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#490 Oct 07 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent

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Are you crazy Joph? He'd be perfect for firefighting. Save time on a ladder when the other firefighters can just toss him through a window.

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#491 Oct 07 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent

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Is this the part of the game where we get to talk about what a BFOQ is, and Hooters only hiring attractive women?

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#492 Oct 07 2011 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent

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All that babbling by you radical lefties and you still can't answer the only question that should matter. Does allowing homosexuals strengthen or weaken our military.

Strengthens it. There's more people willing to fight for our country.

That was easy.

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#493 Oct 07 2011 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent

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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

All that babbling by you radical lefties and you still can't answer the only question that should matter. Does allowing homosexuals strengthen or weaken our military.

Strengthens it. There's more people willing to fight for our country.

That was easy.

And the few who object so strenuously that they refuse, aren't disciplined enough to fight. Win-win!

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#494 Oct 07 2011 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent

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I've learned in this thread that Alma's too gay to fill out a mad lib.

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#495 Oct 08 2011 at 3:37 AM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

Obviously not.

Obviously so. Just read up..

Jophiel wrote:

I'm against refusing a firefighting position to someone because he's black. I'm okay with it because he's 4'3" and weights 35lbs.

Crazy!

And? How does that contradict anything that I've said?

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You just don't get it, Joph. If you discriminate for one thing, then you have to discriminate for everything. It's all or nothing! To hell with analysis!

Are you implying that is my argument, if so, your comprehension failed you, terribly.

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#496 Oct 08 2011 at 3:49 AM Rating: Default

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Omega Vageta wrote:

How? Sexual orientation has never & will never be a factor in deciding that girls shower with girls & boys shower with boys.

Then why are they separated? Give me one logical explanation in why both men and women can't shower together that has nothing to do with sexuality.

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#497 Oct 08 2011 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent

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Almalieque wrote:

Omega Vageta wrote:

How? Sexual orientation has never & will never be a factor in deciding that girls shower with girls & boys shower with boys.

Then why are they separated? Give me one logical explanation in why both men and women can't shower together that has nothing to do with sexuality.

It certainly has to do with sexuality. But, there are huge differences. The probability of a group of gay men ganging up and raping the one or two straight men in the shower is on the order of 0. Even in a one on one scenario, a man fending off an aggressive gay man has a much better chance of a woman in the same situation. If men weren't such historical assholes, there wouldn't be as much of a stigma of having a unisex shower. Some people can look at naughty parts without blushing or praying to Jesus for forgiveness.

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#498 Oct 08 2011 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good

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Almalieque wrote:

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Surely if it's this big of a deal, the soldier in question would be able to not shower with the other soldier in question?

Or are you forced to stand next to a particular person when you shower?

That's not answering the question.

That's because I was asking a question. Answer it, please.

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#499 Oct 08 2011 at 6:09 AM Rating: Excellent

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Then why are they separated? Give me one logical explanation in why both men and women can't shower together that has nothing to do with sexuality.

They're separated because of their gender. I care not about your "shower" ****, since by your own admission it doesn't effect you. Please fill out the mad lib, I will not accept "see post 206" as it doesn't convey how it effects you, persoanlly.

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#500 Oct 08 2011 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent

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Almalieque wrote:

Omega Vageta wrote:

How? Sexual orientation has never & will never be a factor in deciding that girls shower with girls & boys shower with boys.

Then why are they separated? Give me one logical explanation in why both men and women can't shower together that has nothing to do with sexuality.

It certainly has to do with sexuality. But, there are huge differences. The probability of a group of gay men ganging up and raping the one or two straight men in the shower is on the order of 0. Even in a one on one scenario, a man fending off an aggressive gay man has a much better chance of a woman in the same situation. If men weren't such historical assholes, there wouldn't be as much of a stigma of having a unisex shower. Some people can look at naughty parts without blushing or praying to Jesus for forgiveness.

Well, most men would have 0 effort fending off an unwanted attack. Alma on the other hand...

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#501 Oct 08 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent

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If alma were around, he'd probably be the attacker. I stand by my theory that he doesn't like the repeal because DADT was his last excuse for remaining closeted.

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