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#52 Sep 23 2011 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske


Who's that?

I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.

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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.

Great. Another thread about abortions.
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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.

Great. Another thread about abortions.

Yay my favourite.
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Elinda wrote:
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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske


Who's that?

I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.




Later when I have more time, but I'm not limiting anything for your sake.. Take it or leave it.
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Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske


Who's that?

I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.




Later when I have more time, but I'm not limiting anything for your sake.. Take it or leave it.

It was for the benefit of your fans that I requested conciseness. Smiley: clown

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#63 Sep 23 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Later when I have more time, but I'm not limiting anything for your sake.. Take it or leave it.

Ok, but I'm going to skim and base my conclusions off that.
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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.

Great. Another thread about abortions.

More like **** couples taunting **** men that they (the lesbians) can have abortions while the **** men can't. And then something about marriage. And possibly aborting a marriage.

I really should go take a nap
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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.

Great. Another thread about abortions.

More like **** couples taunting **** men that they (the lesbians) can have abortions while the **** men can't. And then something about marriage. And possibly aborting a marriage.

I really should go take a nap
I think you left out **** men using the women's bathroom.
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There have always been gays and lesbians in the military.

My mother said she was frequently hit on by lesbians when she was in the Women's Army Corps, but that was infinitely preferably to the straight girls who would steal her good undies and cut slits in the crotches.
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Neither. The only ones that have issues with it are politicians and civilians.
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Figured I would answer this separately..
Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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someproteinguy wrote:
By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske


Who's that?

I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.




Later when I have more time, but I'm not limiting anything for your sake.. Take it or leave it.

It was for the benefit of your fans that I requested conciseness. Smiley: clown



If they are truly my "fans", then they have learned to accept my posts.
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Later when I have more time, but I'm not limiting anything for your sake.. Take it or leave it.

Ok, but I'm going to skim and base my conclusions off that.


Fine by me, as long as you have accepted the fact that you're making a conclusion on an incomplete passage. So, don't get upset or pitch a hissy fit when I say that you didn't read something and/or "You're making stuff up", because you probably are.

I personally suggest if it's too long to read, then simply don't comment.

I"m in the middle of something right now, so I'll post my response after this and when I'm done doing what I'm doing.
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#70 Sep 23 2011 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just give us a **** response if you're going to, Alma, instead of these teaser posts.
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#71 Sep 23 2011 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does allowing gays to openly serve strengthen or weaken our military?

Neither to a significant degree. But it strengthens our liberty.
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I'm going to get as upset or pitch all the hissy fits I want based on your poor job of making readable posts. Such is the price you pay for using 100x more words than you need to Smiley: smile

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 3:55pm by Jophiel
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I'm sorry if this upsets you but forcing normal hetero men from 18-21 to bunk with homo's is not exactly a good selling point.
I'm sorry if this upsets you but that's been going on for decades. Nice of you to prove both my political point earlier, and my civilian point now. Smiley: smile
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#74varusword75, Posted: Sep 23 2011 at 3:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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Wrong. Every action the military takes serves either to strengthen or weaken it.

Only theoretically. Or rhetorically, if you're hard up for political points.
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Yes, it does.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 4:06pm by Jophiel
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No it hasn't

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Come back after your Ritalin.

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No it hasn't



So everyone who came out this week was made **** by the military?
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I love how Virus completely ignored my commentary regarding my mother getting hit on by lesbians in the WAC in the 1960s.
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Elinda wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.


My overall theory, that extends beyond this topic, is that people as individuals become subject matter experts in a few areas. As a collective group on various topics, we become ignorant. We simply accept what others say and believe without going into much depth.

I blame this on the fact that there aren't enough hours in the day to become subject matter experts in everything. This is especially true for those who have families to take care of. If the news say that eggs are good for you, a noticeable percentage of people will just accept that as a fact without actually doing the same extensive work to prove it one way or the other.

When people on this forum defended,supported and/or was indifferent to the spillage of U.S. classified material, the overall lack of understanding of how the U.S. military operates became blatantly obvious.

Relevant to this case, when you sign up to become a service member of the U.S military, you forfeit many of your "rights". That is part of the foundation of the U.S. military which is part of the "success" of the U.S. Military. Cherry picking certain "rights" due to current popularity only breaks that foundation.

If you want to reorganize the military and it's rules, fine, but do so by looking at the whole "big" picture. Changing some rules, while not addressing other affected and/or related/similar policies breaks down the core of the military. This goes beyond "sexuality". For example, allowing people of certain religions to not shave, while forcing others to shave and not recognizing other religions that may have similar shaving rules.

For the most part, I don't support discrimination of sexuality when hiring job positions, but the military isn't a typical job. Other jobs do not force you to live, sleep and shower with someone. No matter how much people want to deny it, it's the same exact reason why men and women don't share close quarters.

People don't understand how the military operates and then make false comparisons to discrimination of skin color and sex. As discussed numerous times in the past, simply discriminating isn't the problem, it's the wrongful discrimination without justification. That's why the military STILL discriminates against women and not discriminate by regulation on skin color.

I'm personally not affected by this ruling, but it's just another negative chip at the military which will eventually be part of a bigger chip until people start focusing on the "big picture".
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Almalieque wrote:
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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.
Other jobs do not force you to live, sleep and shower with someone.


My eight weeks of **** as a camp counselor say otherwise.

That summer is the reason I am never having children.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Does allowing gays to openly serve strengthen or weaken our military?

Neither to a significant degree. But it strengthens our liberty.
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So, don't get upset or pitch a hissy fit

I'm going to get as upset or pitch all the hissy fits I want based on your poor job of making readable posts. Such is the price you pay for using 100x more words than you need to Smiley: smile

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 3:55pm by Jophiel



100x more words is subjective to you bias. You already know the length, so it doesn't make sense to provoke a conversation and complain about it. If you don't like it, then stay away from it.
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I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Just keep it short and pointed plz.
Other jobs do not force you to live, sleep and shower with someone.



My eight weeks of **** as a camp counselor say otherwise.

That summer is the reason I am never having children.

correction, not in a literal sense.. I meant types of jobs... Athletes have to shower together, etc.


Edited, Sep 24th 2011 12:50am by Almalieque
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hey you have a choice to shower or not. (and for that matter you have a choice to serve in the military or not. If you don't like bunking with a **** then quit.)

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 7:41pm by rdmcandie
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So the "big picture" is...what? Straight men won't want to join the military if they know that a few **** men are also serving? Did they all think that there were *no* homosexuals serving before? Excuse my civilian naievete in the following comment, but isn't it true that some men "became" "gay" during extended deployments? I thought that was a common joke regarding the Navy, something which also occurs in lengthy prison terms...

In any case, it's obvious that gays have already been serving, and likely always have. How does making this known and accepted make things any different?
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Nope. Take it or leave it.
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Not that I actually blame Santorum for his stance. These debates are only about one thing: Getting votes.

Santorum is an evangelical nutjob who'd be hating the gays no matter how it polled.


Hmmm... Heard that label on MSNBC did you? You do realize that Santorum is Catholic, right? Not saying anything else about him or his positions, but merely pointing out that "evangelical" is a specific branch of Christianity and not just a generic term for "Christians I disagree with".
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Third definition of evangelical is "zealous in advocating something."
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Third definition of evangelical is "zealous in advocating something."


That's an exceptionally minor use of the term though. Nearly every dictionary will list it like this:

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1. Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament.
2. Evangelical Of, relating to, or being a Protestant church that founds its teaching on the gospel.
3. Evangelical Of, relating to, or being a Christian church believing in the sole authority and inerrancy of the Bible, in salvation only through regeneration, and in a spiritually transformed personal life.
4. Evangelical
a. Of or relating to the Lutheran churches in Germany and Switzerland.
b. Of or relating to all Protestant churches in Germany.
5. Of or relating to the group in the Church of England that stresses personal conversion and salvation by faith.
6. Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm; zealous: an evangelical liberal.



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Also, e·van·gel·ic. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
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belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, especially of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
3.
designating Christians, especially of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.
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pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ.
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marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause.



Those were the first three google turned up.
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And let's be fair. If those using that term really just mean that someone was zealous about their cause, they'd apply it to liberals as frequently as they do to conservatives. The clear use by liberal pundits is intended to draw on an assumed religious connotation that is specifically related to the more fundamentalist protestant evangelical sets of beliefs and not a general zeal for a cause.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 5:51pm by gbaji
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If those using that term really just mean that someone was zealous about their cause, they'd apply it to liberals as frequently as they do to conservatives.
I agree, if someone is acting overzealous they should be labeled evangelical regardless of political affiliation. Like Santorum.
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If those using that term really just mean that someone was zealous about their cause, they'd apply it to liberals as frequently as they do to conservatives.
I agree, if someone is acting overzealous they should be labeled evangelical regardless of political affiliation. Like Santorum.


I eagerly await the day that Maddow will refer to Obama as an evangelical. Until then, I'll stick to my assumptions about how the left uses the term.
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Hmmm... Heard that label on MSNBC did you? You do realize that Santorum is Catholic, right? Not saying anything else about him or his positions, but merely pointing out that "evangelical" is a specific branch of Christianity and not just a generic term for "Christians I disagree with".

Yeah, it's almost as though I didn't capitalize it as a proper noun for a reason. But your frantic rush to start whining about how the liberal media must have brainwashed me is duly noted.
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Hmmm... Heard that label on MSNBC did you? You do realize that Santorum is Catholic, right? Not saying anything else about him or his positions, but merely pointing out that "evangelical" is a specific branch of Christianity and not just a generic term for "Christians I disagree with".

Yeah, it's almost as though I didn't capitalize it as a proper noun for a reason. But your frantic rush to start whining about how the liberal media must have brainwashed me is duly noted.


Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step to recovery Joph. You can do it!
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Neither. The only ones that have issues with it are politicians and civilians.

Until you've played basketball with them, you're not qualified to answer. Soldier.
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People don't understand how the military operates and then make false comparisons to discrimination of skin color and sex. As discussed numerous times in the past, simply discriminating isn't the problem, it's the wrongful discrimination without justification. That's why the military STILL discriminates against women and not discriminate by regulation on skin color.
We allow people to serve in the military, regardless of sexual orientation, because there is no justification to discriminate against them.
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Kind of like the theory of evolution right.


I'll admit, people like you are a prime argument against evolution.

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