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#1 Sep 20 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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is history now. Gone the way of racially segregated units and such. Score one for the U.S. military catching up with the modern era I suppose. I'm seeing a few celebratory parties planned, and the sky hasn't immediately fallen at least. Guess all the training worked out well in the end. Was sure a lot of drama for something that seems to be passing as a rather non-event.

Thoughts anyone?

By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.

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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske
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Thoughts anyone?
Resounding meh.
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My husband retired from the Navy about 4 and a half years ago. He's of the old homophobic school of thought of "gays are only going to be a distraction and that weakens the unit." I told him that argument is about as valid as it was when it was applied to the racially segregated units decades ago. As things progress and the new generation takes over the commands, and tolerance and acceptance grows stronger, it becomes a non-issue.

Other governments (England, Australian, Israel off the top of my head) allow their military members to be openly gay. It's nice to see that the US is finally catching up.
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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.


I know of someone who'd be more than happy to share his perspective, but he's been absent for a bit, and I don't want to invoke him...

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:02pm by Eske


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OH! I thought he meant Lolgaxe.

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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm?
I hope nobody is doing atm, whether it's allowed or not. That's just asking for a disease.
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Let's be fair, here: This is all really someproteinguy's fault.
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I blame it all on Clinton. He started the whole mess anyway. Damn hippie.

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This is impossible. I was informed that repealing DADT would mean that gays couldn't serve at all! My sources were quite adamant on this topic.
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This is impossible. I was informed that repealing DADT would mean that gays couldn't serve at all! My sources were quite adamant on this topic.
You but they didn't actually repeal DADT because blablabla 57 pages of semantics bullsh*t.


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Nope.

Stayed home today.

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DADT can't have been repealed yet because I haven't been raped and/or molested.
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I am hoping to skip the usual bullsh*t that surrounds the gay marriage and DADT topics, I'm sorry if that makes reaching 100k posts harder for you. Smiley: tongue
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DADT can't have been repealed yet because I haven't been raped and/or molested.

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Was chatting to a cook on a US submarine when playing WOW the other day. He said the culture on the sub was REALLY weird. No space, no Privacy, no sunlight and no fresh air for months on end makes for a really different kind of behaviour, apparently. What he remarked on was that command was lumping female submarine crew on them soon. I got the feeling he thought either it was going to make things worse, or much more strange. Or possibly be unfair to the women. Or the men. He was kind of cagey about HOW submarine culture was strange and different from the norm. I think he didn't want to put me off. Just adamant that it was.

Anyway, my second thought, after a couple of minutes, was, zomg, ALL the women on a sub would synch their periods. And for the ones that get PMS, well wasn't' THAT going to be a great 3 days a month for everyone aboard?!!!!!!!
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I'm thinking that the smart ladies would get a depo shot before they descended to the depths. No periods for three months might help a bit.
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The thought of being in a submarine for any extended period of time kind of tweaks me out in the first place, to be honest.

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No need to ask. The last barrier from your enlistment is gone! You can celebrate!

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When did they remove the requirements about physical fitness and mental competence?
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Anyway, my second thought, after a couple of minutes, was, zomg, ALL the women on a sub would synch their periods. And for the ones that get PMS, well wasn't' THAT going to be a great 3 days a month for everyone aboard?!!!!!!!


Hilarious ensues.

Also I think the thing that is different on a submarine from regular life, is being in a tube at the bottom of the ocean.
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Please...

The radical liberals have succeeded in weakening the armed forces, once again. It's sad that they've turned the military into their own little social experiment.



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I'm thinking that the smart ladies would get a depo shot before they descended to the depths. No periods for three months might help a bit.


Shot?! Just get pregnant... that's possibly 9 months vs 3 months.. do the math..
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I'm thinking that the smart ladies would get a depo shot before they descended to the depths. No periods for three months might help a bit.


Shot?! Just get pregnant... that's possibly 9 months vs 3 months.. do the math..


Ya all you navy chicks get knocked up. Then come spend time on my sub, so I will get driven bat sh*t insane by your rampaging hormones, and on top of it all, I can't even step outside for a walk to clear my head.


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DADT can't have been repealed yet because I haven't been raped and/or molested.

You're not trying hard enough to look pretty for the guys, then.


edit: Oh, ding 13k?

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Wow. He really danced around that question, didn't he?

Edit: Oh wait, no, at the end he said that he'd go back to DADT, but "not kick him out." Except that's exactly what DADT would do. Huh. Didn't think that one through, did he?

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Apparently Mr. Santorum (and a few audience members) believes the repeal of DADT is that TEH GAYZ get a carte blanche on sexual activity.

Also: Apparently letting children watch Chaz Bono on Dancing with the Stars will turn them transgender.
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Oh wait, no, at the end he said that he'd go back to DADT, but "not kick him out." Except that's exactly what DADT would do. Huh. Didn't think that one through, did he?
It's as well thought out as Rick Perry's "We need to get our troops out of the Middle East but we also need to leave a presence there" answer.
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That's exactly what it means.
Except it doesn't, but I wouldn't expect anyone that hates America to know what the policies are. Smiley: smile
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I'm curious are the f*gs going to get a separate barrack like the women?
Do they in any other military in the world that allows homosexuals to serve? I don't expect you to be able to answer that knowledgeably.
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And do you know why f*gs were kept out in the first place?
Ignorant civilians and politicians that never served. Or are you going to pretend it has something to do with diseases that makes enlistment and deployment impossible? "Oh but they can lie!" On extensive blood tests?
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Why does Varus keep talking about figs?

Also, I'm guessing the military codes on sodomy being against the rules are still on the books?
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So you're ok with putting f*gs in with hetero guys who have no wish to be around that but you're against throwing women in there as well?



Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 9:36am by varusword75
Yes. I'd explain why, but you're incaapble of comprehending the answer.
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Stay classy, Republicans.

Some day, hopefully soon, the social conservatives are going to cede power back to the fiscal conservatives, and we can finally have a principled GOP instead of a bunch of walloping yahoos.
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You know who else didn't allow gays into the military?!

I remember absentmindedly listening to the news this morning and, of course, there's this huge focus on Republican primaries. I remember one of the candidates referring to the repeal as a "social experiment" and I facepalmed. Why do they hate our troops?!?!


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Also, I'm guessing the military codes on sodomy being against the rules are still on the books?
Contrary to the mongering going on, the only thing that changed is that there won't be consequences to admitting that you're gay. It's actually such a minor change that the amount of talk about is mind numbing. Which, coincidentally, is the state your mind needs to be in if you think there's any issue here.

Not that I actually blame Santorum for his stance. These debates are only about one thing: Getting votes. What's going to garner more favor from the majority than "TEH GAYS ARE BAD" ? Politics haven't been about real issues for the last 40ish years anyway.
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Coincidentally, I don't remember seeing a single fig during my last deployment. Maybe he's on to something?

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waaaahhhh...

You mean "Booooo", don't you? The sound a Republican makes when they see a guy making the sacrifice for his country to serve in Iraq but they don't like where his penis goes?

Or was "Waaaahhhh" the sound a Republican makes when they find out that the guy is actually allowed to honorably serve his nation regardless of where his penis has been?
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Not that I actually blame Santorum for his stance. These debates are only about one thing: Getting votes.

Santorum is an evangelical nutjob who'd be hating the gays no matter how it polled.

I wonder if Megyn gave the question to him so he could take the bullet rather than a candidate who actually matters. Of course, I missed the other candidates jumping to the defense of gays serving in the military. If you had said one of them once thought modern horses evolved from the same branch as eohippus though, they'd interrupt a question about Medicare to give a five minute rebuttal.

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Also, I'm guessing the military codes on sodomy being against the rules are still on the books?
Contrary to the mongering going on, the only thing that changed is that there won't be consequences to admitting that you're gay. It's actually such a minor change that the amount of talk about is mind numbing. Which, coincidentally, is the state your mind needs to be in if you think there's any issue here.

You have no idea what you're talking about. varus played basketball with MARINES!
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Also, I'm guessing the military codes on sodomy being against the rules are still on the books?
Contrary to the mongering going on, the only thing that changed is that there won't be consequences to admitting that you're gay. It's actually such a minor change that the amount of talk about is mind numbing. Which, coincidentally, is the state your mind needs to be in if you think there's any issue here.

You have no idea what you're talking about. varus played basketball with MARINES!
So that's what they called it back in the good old days
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