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#1602Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 7:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, rdmcandie, I've never thought of those things before. Your illuminating outburst certainly has shown me the folly of my erroneous beliefs.. I'm totally astounded by your brilliant and original insights!
#1603 Dec 12 2011 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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whatever you say mate you are the one who claimed god cam down inked the bible (in over a dozen different ways) hoped back on his magic cloud and whisked away into the stars not me.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 8:18pm by rdmcandie
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#1606 Dec 12 2011 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'm totally free now that I know that I can do anything that I want as long as I don't get caught.

Smiley: laugh I love when you people pull this crap out of the bag.

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thank you, rdm; thank you for freeing me from my bondage
I thought you weren't into kink
#1608Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 9:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This was in response to the claim that humans invented G-D to help them cope with life and death even though the Abrahamic G-D happens to be the ONLY case in human history of an omnipotent and omniscient single god of everything that claims to have no definable earthly for except for a Word informing people that they are DOING AT ALL WRONG!! and that there is NO ONE that can live up to It's standards..
#1609 Dec 12 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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God is a jealous ******* that will kill everything if it looks at him funny.
#1610Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 9:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Let me ask you a serious question, Sweetums,
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God is a jealous @#%^ that will kill everything if it looks at him funny.


Let me ask you a serious question, Sweetums,
If you found out that your neighbors family had been raised for generations to torture and kill every other child born and to eat the brains of puppies and kitten and had been breeding puppies and kittens and children for this purpose and that there was no chance EVER that they would change these ways; and that this practice was starting to catch on to all the rest of your neighbors and spreading throughout your entire neighborhood.. and that your own family was thinking about doing it..
what would you suggest to be done with them?


Edited, Dec 12th 2011 10:34pm by Kelvyquayo
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#1612 Dec 12 2011 at 9:40 PM Rating: Default
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good answer!Smiley: lol


Edited, Dec 12th 2011 10:40pm by Kelvyquayo
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#1613 Dec 12 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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You might have gotten one from an intelligent premise
#1614 Dec 12 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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#1615Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 9:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm guessing you didn't excel in any Ethics classes.
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
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You might have gotten one from an intelligent premise


I'm guessing you didn't excel in any Ethics classes.
You'd think an omnipotent being would be able to do better than I would

I guess omnipotence means foregoing any sort of nuance and going straight for the ********** it, I'll kill everything" option

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 9:47pm by Sweetums
#1617 Dec 12 2011 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
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I guess omnipotence means foregoing any sort of nuance and going straight for the "@#%^ it, I'll kill everything" option

A good and intelligent response. Jesus is very proud of you.

aside from omnipotence; omniscience is also a factor in this.. in which God already knows everything about everybody and everything that they would do in every possible situation at any time.. The "nuance" ,I suppose ,would be something like tinkering with creation or some kind of intervention that would stop people from doing the things that they are doing rather than just saying ********** it" and killing everything.

The crux there is free will.. people were given free will to choose their actions.. If God to go back and start dominating and intervening then it would make the free will meaningless; and nothing that something omnipotent and omniscient does in meaningless so it just wouldn't make sense..
This leads to the question "Why created people like that at all if he already knew that He was going to wipe them out?" valid point but still flies in the face of giving people free will in the first place.. They have the free will and they do what they do.. He cannot make them NOT do what they do because that would NOT be free will.

So this leads to the question; "why give them free will if you know how they are going to act so horribly?"; well; if God can see everything from the beginning to the ending and controls the beginning and the ending (omnipotent) and because nothing that He can do is meaningless; then the plan can only be for the sake of the ultimate purpose of our creation.. to have free willed creatures that freely have decided to Love that Creator..

Then you say "How can I Love something that had allowed so many horrible ****** up things happen?" but this completely denies the fact that the entire basis of everything that we are and all that we know as good and right and lovely as well as the bad and evil comes from God.. and that this creator must be the standard.. and that our view point is limited
This goes back to the Ultimate Purpose of why we were created.. to exist in Love with the creator.. How could be know what Love is is there was no suffering.. Certainly God could have just made everything Perfect for us from the beginning but then this would ALSO not work because if would AGAIN fly in the face of the purpose of free will..
Keeping in mind that God is eternal and this world is temporal.. it is logical to state that all of the finite suffering in the finite universe is but a tiny tiny smallest sliver of a sliver compared with the INFINITE Love and Bliss that lies in wait in the Perfected Eternity that God has prepared for those who choose to deny their personal finite presuppositions that they are loaded with since the time that they are born and submit to the infinite will of their creator and finally realize their helplessness of their finite lives and hopelessness of that lies in death..

It doesn't have to be that way..

And ******* A; I REALLY didn't mean to write this giant wall of text..
I don't even know what I just typed..Smiley: laugh

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And Joph; I'm really not trying to hi-jack this thread.. but it's just too tempting...
You should join the fun! How's the Polish-Catholic world been treating you?

I don't give a sh*t if you hijack the thread, just hijack it with something that's less tedious than the existing topic.

Polish-Catholic world's been fine though. Christmas countdown until we bust out the opłatki Smiley: thumbsup

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 10:21pm by Jophiel
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#1619 Dec 12 2011 at 11:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd correct your Catholic Priest by asking him how he justifies the existence of a Priesthood when Christ died so that all people had free access to God..


The Book of Leviticus: Chapters 8-10 wrote:
Leviticus 8:1 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 2 “Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, the anointing oil, the sin offering bull, the two rams, and the basket of unleavened bread, 3 and assemble the whole congregation at the entrance of the Meeting Tent.” 4 So Moses did just as the Lord commanded him, and the congregation assembled at the entrance of the Meeting Tent. 5 Then Moses said to the congregation: “This is what the Lord has commanded to be done.” 6 So Moses brought Aaron and his sons forward and washed them with water. 7 Then he put the tunic on Aaron, wrapped the sash around him, and clothed him with the robe. Next he put the ephod on him and placed on him the decorated band of the ephod, and fastened the ephod closely to him with the band. 8 He then set the breastpiece on him and put the Urim and Thummim into the breastpiece. 9 Finally, he set the turban on his head and attached the gold plate, the holy diadem, to the front of the turban just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 10 Then Moses took the anointing oil and anointed the tabernacle and everything in it, and so consecrated them. 11 Next he sprinkled some of it on the altar seven times and so anointed the altar, all its vessels, and the wash basin and its stand to consecrate them. 12 He then poured some of the anointing oil on the head of Aaron and anointed him to consecrate him. 13 Moses also brought forward Aaron’s sons, clothed them with tunics, wrapped sashes around them, and wrapped headbands on them just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 14 Then he brought near the sin offering bull and Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the sin offering bull, 15 and he slaughtered it. Moses then took the blood and put it all around on the horns of the altar with his finger and decontaminated the altar, and he poured out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar and so consecrated it to make atonement on it. 16 Then he took all the fat on the entrails, the protruding lobe of the liver, and the two kidneys and their fat, and Moses offered it all up in smoke on the altar, 17 but the rest of the bull – its hide, its flesh, and its dung – he completely burned up outside the camp just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 18 Then he presented the burnt offering ram and Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the ram, 19 and he slaughtered it. Moses then splashed the blood against the altar’s sides. 20 Then he cut the ram into parts, and Moses offered the head, the parts, and the suet up in smoke, 21 but the entrails and the legs he washed with water, and Moses offered the whole ram up in smoke on the altar – it was a burnt offering for a soothing aroma, a gift to the Lord, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 22 Then he presented the second ram, the ram of ordination, and Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the ram 23 and he slaughtered it. Moses then took some of its blood and put it on Aaron’s right earlobe, on the thumb of his right hand, and on the big toe of his right foot. 24 Next he brought Aaron’s sons forward, and Moses put some of the blood on their right earlobes, on their right thumbs, and on the big toes of their right feet, and Moses splashed the rest of the blood against the altar’s sides. 25 Then he took the fat (the fatty tail, all the fat on the entrails, the protruding lobe of the liver, and the two kidneys and their fat) and the right thigh, 26 and from the basket of unleavened bread that was before the Lord he took one unleavened loaf, one loaf of bread mixed with olive oil, and one wafer, and placed them on the fat parts and on the right thigh. 27 He then put all of them on the palms of Aaron and his sons, who waved them as a wave offering before the Lord. 28 Moses then took them from their palms and offered them up in smoke on the altar on top of the burnt offering – they were an ordination offering for a soothing aroma; it was a gift to the Lord. 29 Finally, Moses took the breast and waved it as a wave offering before the Lord from the ram of ordination. It was Moses’ share just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 30 Then Moses took some of the anointing oil and some of the blood which was on the altar and sprinkled it on Aaron and his garments, and on his sons and his sons’ garments with him. So he consecrated Aaron, his garments, and his sons and his sons’ garments with him. 31 Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons, “Boil the meat at the entrance of the Meeting Tent, and there you are to eat it and the bread which is in the ordination offering basket, just as I have commanded, saying, ‘Aaron and his sons are to eat it,’ 32 but the remainder of the meat and the bread you must burn with fire. 33 And you must not go out from the entrance of the Meeting Tent for seven days, until the day when your days of ordination are completed, because you must be ordained over a seven-day period. 34 What has been done on this day the Lord has commanded to be done to make atonement for you. 35 You must reside at the entrance of the Meeting Tent day and night for seven days and keep the charge of the Lord so that you will not die, for this is what I have been commanded.” 36 So Aaron and his sons did all the things the Lord had commanded through Moses...

And Moses and Aaron went into the tent of meeting. When they came out and blessed the people, the glory of the LORD appeared to all the people. Then fire came out from before the LORD and consumed the burnt offering and the portions of fat on the altar; and when all the people saw it, they shouted and fell on their faces .


I know the bible is a bit ambiguous in parts, but this is not one of those parts. Peter's got a bunch of stuff on it too.

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and justifies bowing to statues and praying to saints..


The statues tend to be representative of the holy trinity. And the way it was explained to me, Catholics don't pray to Saints they pray with them, just as you might ask a friend to pray for you.

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and worshiping Mary as the Mother of God..


Mary was the mother of Jesus according to the Bible, whom as part of the holy trinity was/is a part of the 3 "people" that make up the divine nature that is God.

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and denying the Holy Spirit..


?

I do enjoy your particular flavor of Christianity though, as you seem to think it is superior to any other flavor & use that opinion as an excuse for your smugness.

The truth is you've just got a big ego & use your religion as an excuse to justify it.
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omnipotence is impossible.

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#1622 Dec 13 2011 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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Sweetums wrote:
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omnipotence is impossible.

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Tell Q that you @#%^

Q isn't omnipotent, though because he isn't the only Q. Smiley: schooled


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#1623 Dec 13 2011 at 5:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:

So this leads to the question; "why give them free will if you know how they are going to act so horribly?";

Yeah, I watched "The Adjustment Bureau" last night, too.
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I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
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#1625Almalieque, Posted: Dec 13 2011 at 12:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't care if they serve, but I don't support forcing a heterosexual to be in close working/living conditions. I support DADT as a compromise.
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I don't support forcing a heterosexual to be in close working/living conditions.
Oooooh, too bad that has been in practice since before World War II and well before DADT was even signed into the regulations. Then again, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about the military anyway.
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