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Almalieque wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
It's been more than two months. Still no collapse of the civilized world.
How many gay men fully took advantage of this change?
Amusingly, the study done prior to DADT being voted out referenced multiple allied states with their anti-homosexual restrictions lifted. Each said that the effects were minimal-to-none based to a decent degree on the fact that most gay soldiers didn't make any big production out of it. They kept doing what they were doing and just benefited from knowing they couldn't be expelled should they be (voluntarily or involuntarily) outed.
Of course, this was all silly-crazy-talk to the DADT repeal critics and they just KNEW it would be different in the US.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Come on Alma, the whole idea of not telling that you happen be gay because it might make others uncomfortable is dishonest and inherently based on ignorance.
Fact - gaydom has no impact on any soldiers ability to do their job.
That's really as far as it goes. You might claim that someone can't properly do their job knowing they're going to have to shower with a gay man, But that's an individual problem and certainly not the kind of thing to be making national policy over.
Give it up already. Gays are openly in the military.
You could do something constructive and maybe start a support group for enlisted homophobes to help acclimate them to a lifestyle that's not based on lies.
Edited, Dec 1st 2011 7:48pm by Elinda
Fact - gaydom has no impact on any soldiers ability to do their job.
That's really as far as it goes. You might claim that someone can't properly do their job knowing they're going to have to shower with a gay man, But that's an individual problem and certainly not the kind of thing to be making national policy over.
Give it up already. Gays are openly in the military.
You could do something constructive and maybe start a support group for enlisted homophobes to help acclimate them to a lifestyle that's not based on lies.
Edited, Dec 1st 2011 7:48pm by Elinda
This is the problem. The problem isn't homosexuality,but ignorant people making statements as if they understand what's going on. There's a reason why your first line supervisor is expected to know everything about their subordinate, to include hobbies, family, goals, etc. All of that stuff has a direct impact on your performance. Things as simple as having hot chow as opposed to an MRE can increase work performance.
The bottom line is that military isn't your typical job, so applying the same thoughts will more often than not fail in comparison.
lolgaxe wrote:
It's been more than two months. Still no collapse of the civilized world.
How many gay men fully took advantage of this change?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I know this is completely uncool, but I do think I actually understand Alma's position. He's an all or nothing guy. He feels that this one change is silly given all of the other unfair rules in the military.
This is a guy who compares being able to be open with your homosexuality to being able to grow a beard.
Do I honestly think he's a homophobe? No. I don't. I think he's uncomfortable around homosexual men. Maybe because he's afraid they'll hit on him and he's in the position where he has to explain that he's not gay. Sort of the same way you'd be uncomfortable around an ugly member of the sex you're attracted to, and you're worried they'll come on to you and you'd have to shoot them down without insulting them.
Mostly Alma is just selfish. He doesn't see how this change helps him, and he can see how other changes would help him, so he's pissed that there's support for this but not for his "grow a beard in the military" petition.
Anyway, that's my take on this hugely long thread.
This is a guy who compares being able to be open with your homosexuality to being able to grow a beard.
Do I honestly think he's a homophobe? No. I don't. I think he's uncomfortable around homosexual men. Maybe because he's afraid they'll hit on him and he's in the position where he has to explain that he's not gay. Sort of the same way you'd be uncomfortable around an ugly member of the sex you're attracted to, and you're worried they'll come on to you and you'd have to shoot them down without insulting them.
Mostly Alma is just selfish. He doesn't see how this change helps him, and he can see how other changes would help him, so he's pissed that there's support for this but not for his "grow a beard in the military" petition.
Anyway, that's my take on this hugely long thread.
Once again, you're the closest one out of the group. I've been around questionable men before. Heck, my store manager at McDonalds was a flaming *****. This is why I've stated that there is a difference between being comfortable working with a homosexual and living/showering with a homosexual. It's the same philosophy a woman uses when working with a man. It's a really simple concept that people refuse to accept because it doesn't support their argument and cause.
It's not about fear, but frustration that ignorant people are making rules and regulations without understanding anything. When you have people make arguments like "gay people can shoot weapons too", then that clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of DADT and the military in general.
Bull Alma. Being in the military does not give you the right to be an ignorant, selfish bigot.
You can't handle the truth.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Almalieque wrote:
How many gay men fully took advantage of this change?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Almalieque wrote:
The bottom line is that military isn't your typical job, so applying the same thoughts will more often than not fail in comparison.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
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Do I honestly think he's a homophobe? No. I don't. I think he's uncomfortable around homosexual men. Maybe because he's afraid they'll hit on him and he's in the position where he has to explain that he's not gay. Sort of the same way you'd be uncomfortable around an ugly member of the sex you're attracted to, and you're worried they'll come on to you and you'd have to shoot them down without insulting them.
To be fair, the reason I don't like strange men coming onto me (their attractiveness doesn't really come into the picture) is because quite a few of them have the nasty habit of verbally harassing me if I turn them down, no matter how polite I am. Men who hit on you without even knowing you generally aren't doing it because they like your personality.
Let's not even get into what happens when I straight-up ignore some fucking stranger that expects me to be receptive to this sort of thing at any time they please (you know, like when I'm reading on the bus). God forbid I don't want someone getting pissy and calling me a bitch because that unasked-for $5 drink didn't earn him my attention, especially when I just wanted to enjoy a few drinks with my friends, or that I don't really want to be repeatedly asked for coffee and deal with the requisite sulking while I'm at work. I've now lost count of these sorts of occurrences.
I don't think this is generally a problem with a dude hitting on another dude, because gay men generally don't feel entitled to a straight dude's attention. So excuse me if I'm not offended on some guy's behalf when some man has the gall to call him attractive and then let it be if he says he's not interested.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 10:04am by Sweetums
varusword75 wrote:
If 10,000 potential soldiers, from say the mid-west, refuse to serve because they don't want to bunk and shower with flaming ****'s that's the true harm the homosexuals have done to the military.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
It's like Alma and Co. think that all of a sudden, the military is going to be home to 10,000 Nathan Lanes.
Nadenu wrote:
It's like Alma and Co. think that all of a sudden, the military is going to be home to 10,000 Nathan Lanes.
What happens in the submarine stays in the submarine.
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Gumbo Galahad wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Debalic wrote:
This thread still has legs?
Don't forget the ones fluent in the native language of the region who were able to prevent others from walking into said mines through talking with the locals too.
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varusword75 wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
By the way, they don't have to accept anything, just not condemn it.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 1:09pm by Uglysasquatch
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
varusword75 wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
Like those giant dudes from prison!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
Like those giant dudes from prison!
WIN WIN
Sweetums wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
Like those giant dudes from prison!
WIN WIN
and you know they don't have an issue with *** humping too. That is Tri-Winning, eat your heart out Charlie.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 12:59pm by rdmcandie
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Actually I want our military to consist of the most hardcore sons of b*tches we can get to join.
Like those giant dudes from prison!
Just because you mentioned it:
Does anyone else think that it's kind of weird that we use prison rape indirectly as the primary deterrent and punishment for crime? Think back to all those shows and movies where the cop is leading the criminal away in cuffs saying something like "Oh, Bubba's gonna just love you." You hear it all the time.
It's almost like the judicial system is contracting out big prison dudes to perform the punishments that would otherwise qualify as "cruel and unusual".
It seems very wrong to me.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 1:02pm by Eske
Well, it's not as though they could join the army.
See? SEE? By supporting the repeal of DADT, you're hurting our prison system by taking away the giant ***-fuckers we used to subcontract to rape arrested pot dealers!
See? SEE? By supporting the repeal of DADT, you're hurting our prison system by taking away the giant ***-fuckers we used to subcontract to rape arrested pot dealers!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Well, it's not as though they could join the army.
See? SEE? By supporting the repeal of DADT, you're hurting our prison system by taking away the giant ***-fuckers we used to subcontract to rape arrested pot dealers!
See? SEE? By supporting the repeal of DADT, you're hurting our prison system by taking away the giant ***-fuckers we used to subcontract to rape arrested pot dealers!
Elinda wrote:
But, what if you discovered Ms. Wilson was gay? You might not want to hug her, but she wouldn't and couldn't get fired.
I'm confused on your point. The point that I was making was that people judge others over their sexuality all of the time, we even have laws in support of that judgement, what makes homosexuality so special?
Nilatai wrote:
You asked why it was okay to condemn one action and not the other. I answered that homosexuals are consenting adults.
Children ........
Children ........
Almalieque wrote:
How is it ok to judge someone based on their sexual behavior but not someone else?
No where did I mention children in reference to that question. Besides the fact that was a general question, the scenario in reference to that question was about women being looked down upon for being a *****.
You are trying to go on a tangent.
Let me break it down further for you. How is it ok to look down on Ms. Wilson for her sexual activities, but not ok to look down on Ms. Wilson for her sexual activities?
Alma wrote:
I'm confused
You also can't fire Ms. Wilson for sucking her husband's cock when they're at home. Under DADT you could fire Mr. Wilson for sucking cock. Your and gbaji's being stupid doesn't change that fundamental point.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Almalieque wrote:
No where did I mention children in reference to that question. Besides the fact that was a general question, the scenario in reference to that question was about women being looked down upon for being a *****.
Also total bullshit.
NEXT
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If 10,000 potential soldiers, from say the mid-west, refuse to serve because they don't want to bunk and shower with flaming ****'s that's the true harm the homosexuals have done to the military.
I wouldn't want to shower with a flaming ****.
Might get steamy.
Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
But, what if you discovered Ms. Wilson was gay? You might not want to hug her, but she wouldn't and couldn't get fired.
I'm confused on your point. The point that I was making was that people judge others over their sexuality all of the time, we even have laws in support of that judgement, what makes homosexuality so special?
It's not special. Derrr, that's the point.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 9:54pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
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