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#102 Sep 14 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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As much as I loathe gbaji, he's great for situations like this, when nobody else has the motivation.
#103 Sep 14 2011 at 8:48 PM Rating: Default
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someproteinguy wrote:

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I don't know either honestly. But seriously, you'd think this would be something you'd research before making the post then defending the guy all day. Smiley: rolleyes


What do you expect me to do, water board him and find out if he had an ulterior motive? It doesn't matter though, freedom of speech will cover his rights even if he's a jerk. Oh and I did research this story. All I said was I can't prove or disprove his motives. I'm not a seer that can see into his soul and be sure he isn't lying. I'm attempting to be impartial by giving an "if" here. All I'm getting for my trouble are biased accounts of people that are against the truther movement which is very telling. After all, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But no, we like to judge and convict based on a lone sound bite don't we.
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The two planes seen by thousands of people live at the scene were just weather balloons.


This is a great place for a "your mom" joke. Just saying. If I were immature or something. Smiley: tongue
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#105 Sep 14 2011 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I'm attempting to be impartial


You're failing, and your inability to perceive that (and accompanying haughtiness) is the core reason that you're encountering resistance.



Edited, Sep 14th 2011 10:54pm by Eske
#106 Sep 14 2011 at 8:54 PM Rating: Default
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What!? But you could clearly see the flashes of light in the windows as the building was collapsing! And we all know that you collapse a building by detonating explosions inside it after it's already started to collapse. What's wrong with you? You're just a hater of the TRUTH!!! Smiley: bah

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 7:42pm by gbaji


You forgot to add that all the jet fuel was consumed upon entry and somehow magic pixie dust melted the steel beams. On top of that, all 3 buildings fell straight down at the speed of gravity perfectly like God himself caught them on the way down. Jeez... who needs facts when you can make up facts.
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Oh and I did research this story.


How much research could you have done? Like Jophiel, I also did some googling to see if there was some kind of text account of what happened, and the only information on this story was the video you initial linked.

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All I said was I can't prove or disprove his motives.


How about his actions? Even without being able to hear the audio, it's clear that he's speaking very loudly to everyone around him when the police came and escorted him out of the area.

And are you really that naive that you don't understand the motives of an act like this? Trust me, he doesn't want to just help people learn about something. His motives are pretty much precisely those of a 3 year old child who keeps poking his mom on the leg and saying "mommy" over and over until she stops and pays attention to him. You honestly can't noodle out his motives?


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I'm not a seer that can see into his soul and be sure he isn't lying. I'm attempting to be impartial by giving an "if" here. All I'm getting for my trouble are biased accounts of people that are against the truther movement which is very telling. After all, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But no, we like to judge and convict based on a lone sound bite don't we.


You're the one who made broad assumptions based on a "lone sound bite". You created the thread, remember? The rest of us are basically shaking our heads in disbelief and assuming you're either an incredibly naive person, or you are deliberately misrepresenting your own motives for posting the OP. I mean, it's just hard for me to believe that someone could honestly and with no ulterior motive or ties to the issue at hand (truther theories in this case) come across the information you did and come to the conclusion that this was some gross example of a violation of someone's right to free speech.


And I suspect I'm not the only person who has a hard time believing that.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
gbaji wrote:


What!? But you could clearly see the flashes of light in the windows as the building was collapsing! And we all know that you collapse a building by detonating explosions inside it after it's already started to collapse. What's wrong with you? You're just a hater of the TRUTH!!! Smiley: bah

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 7:42pm by gbaji


You forgot to add that all the jet fuel was consumed upon entry and somehow magic pixie dust melted the steel beams. On top of that, all 3 buildings fell straight down at the speed of gravity perfectly like God himself caught them on the way down. Jeez... who needs facts when you can make up facts.


Interesting how someone who isn't a truther, and who claims to have not formed an opinion because he hasn't reviewed all the facts can manage to parrot that exact set of information.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I'm attempting to be impartial by giving an "if" here.


That's what I thought other people were doing too, at least that's how I read it.

If protest dude was being nice and respectful, he'll have a case. If he was being confrontational, belligerent, and threatening he won't.

Or maybe they'll say he was being a meanie as a cover! Smiley: tinfoilhat

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All I'm getting for my trouble are biased accounts of people that are against the truther movement which is very telling.


I'm all for the 'government isn't telling the whole truth' kind of thing, but the burden of proof is on the one with the unconventional theory. Smiley: wink
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As much as I loathe gbaji, he's great for situations like this, when nobody else has the motivation.


My Kool-Aid.. You are on it. Smiley: mad
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How about his actions? Even without being able to hear the audio, it's clear that he's speaking very loudly to everyone around him when the police came and escorted him out of the area.

And are you really that naive that you don't understand the motives of an act like this? Trust me, he doesn't want to just help people learn about something. His motives are pretty much precisely those of a 3 year old child who keeps poking his mom on the leg and saying "mommy" over and over until she stops and pays attention to him. You honestly can't noodle out his motives?


It's no different than other forms of protesting like picketing for a strike or racial protests outside a building for attention to their cause. It's a tactic used for thousands of years. It's clear you don't support his tactics which is your choice. I'm not really fond of it either, but it does take balls to stand up for what you believe. I'm not certain if his goal was to cause a disturbance for the sake of it or to bring in other truthers to his cause. Scott works as an activist on a website promoting issues like 9/11. Maybe he just wanted to show the people that have doubts that a group is still fighting for the truth of the events on 9/11.


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You're the one who made broad assumptions based on a "lone sound bite". You created the thread, remember? The rest of us are basically shaking our heads in disbelief and assuming you're either an incredibly naive person, or you are deliberately misrepresenting your own motives for posting the OP. I mean, it's just hard for me to believe that someone could honestly and with no ulterior motive or ties to the issue at hand (truther theories in this case) come across the information you did and come to the conclusion that this was some gross example of a violation of someone's right to free speech.


And I suspect I'm not the only person who has a hard time believing that.


It's ironic because this story was on FOX news broadcast. That's how I heard about it. There are violations of the freedom of speech amendment all the time. It's my personal crusade to put a stop it. Whether or not you agree is not my concern. I've learned that you're incapable of being objective so it really doesn't shock me you can't understand my reasons here. It's ok though, I've wasted enough time debating this with you. Anyone who is naive enough to think that Romney is a good person clearly isn't a good judge of character.

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Interesting how someone who isn't a truther, and who claims to have not formed an opinion because he hasn't reviewed all the facts can manage to parrot that exact set of information.


I'm just being sarcastic like you were in your reply. The magic pixie dust should of been a clue, don't you think? Guess not... :P

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 10:30pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#112 Sep 14 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Default
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I'm all for the 'government isn't telling the whole truth' kind of thing, but the burden of proof is on the one with the unconventional theory. Smiley: wink


My God you're so right...we should all go searching for Bin laden's corpse so we put that dirty rumor to bed too. Then by magic and the power of Allah, rpg's magically shoot rainbows from the sky and hit a helicopter a few weeks later that just so happened to be carrying those same exact Seals that killed him. Coincidence, naaaaaahhh it coulnd't be that.

All joking aside, your argument is weak and a cop out. If there is a conspiracy no matter what it is, you're doing yourself and your country a disservice if you wait for the truth to come out.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson
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rpg's magically shoot rainbows from the sky and hit a helicopter a few weeks later that just so happened to be carrying those same exact Seals that killed him.

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If there is a conspiracy no matter what it is, you're doing yourself and your country a disservice if you wait for the truth to come out.

So it's my job to chase down the crackpots?

I suppose this makes life a lot easier for the crackpots who just have to say random shit and then claim the onus is on me to prove them wrong or else I'm a liberty hater.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
There are violations of the freedom of speech amendment all the time. It's my personal crusade to put a stop it.
Interesting claim. I don't remember your crusading about how Westboro protesters are only allowed to do their thing at certain times and from certain distances when dealing with military services.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
All joking aside, your argument is weak and a cop out. If there is a conspiracy no matter what it is, you're doing yourself and your country a disservice if you wait for the truth to come out.


If that's what it is, then that's what it is. I have neither the time or the patience to track down all the crazy stuff out there. People play connect-the-dots all sorts of ways. Every now and again I hear something credible enough to make me pause, or look around.

This isn't one of those cases though.
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#116 Sep 14 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
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So it's my job to chase down the crackpots?

I suppose this makes life a lot easier for the crackpots who just have to say random shit and then claim the onus is on me to prove them wrong or else I'm a liberty hater.


No, not really Joph. At least that's not what I do. What you should do is research issues like 9/11 for yourself and thus become your own crackpot if need be. Look at your statement again and you'll clearly see how much of a cop out it is. You're basically saying you can't think for yourself and whoever has the most experts and best speakers owns the truth. There are so many flaws with the way Bin Laden was killed and the destruction of the twin towers. It's like there is one glaring question mark where it's ignored out of the sake of national security. I'm just a part time researcher myself, but my personal experiences in the military have taught me a lot. If we were told to pull off a 9/11 in the military, we could do it honestly. All those people who spoke out about it were discredited, killed off, or hiding out of fear.

The CIA and the military have a history of false flag events in our history. Vietnam was the last event known by most vets as the Gulf of Tonkin. It was the excuse to get us involved into the war. The same goes for the Iraqi war and the rest of our Middle East wars. It's amusing to me how many people say how can this stuff happen, surely someone would talk, right? You do have people that talk. Gov. Jesse Ventura and other vets exposed the Gulf of the Tonkin incident. Others are scared for their lives, some are bought off. This applies to everything the government has their dirty hands in Joph. Why are we guarding opium fields in Afghanistan right now? Because we have our hands involved in drug trade. The stuff that happens outside the country's borders is enough to make your hair stand on end. I only wish I could talk about some of my personal stories where I've been forced to remain silent due to my security clearance oath. That's why I'm more sure of these other 'conspiracies" than some of you guys might be. I would never ask anyone to trust me or any source without a whole lot of researching though various databases and that doesn't mean a quick google search either.


Here is a youtube clip that explains why 9/11 happened. FYI, the theory is that radical Muslims did carry out the attack, but Bin Laden was working for the CIA as he has been since the Russia occupation of Afghanistan. Even if it was done by all Muslim radicals, it was pushed to fruition by these reasons.




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Interesting claim. I don't remember your crusading about how Westboro protesters are only allowed to do their thing at certain times and from certain distances when dealing with military services.


I wasn't on these forums at that time if that's what you're implying. I fail to see how this is relevant.

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This thread is bizarre; it's like watching gbaji morph into Jophiel in realtime.
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This has potential to provide a decent source of amusement.
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#119 Sep 14 2011 at 10:43 PM Rating: Good
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I wasn't on these forums at that time if that's what you're implying.
You weren't around Zam in 2010, or the violations against their freedom of speech wasn't important enough for you to crusade for?
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#120 Sep 14 2011 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
I know a few Ron Paul supporters in IRL & they're almost as nutty as Shadowedge.

I don't blame him for it, though. 10 years straight of FFXI would make anyone go crazy.
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I only wish I could talk about some of my personal stories where I've been forced to remain silent due to my security clearance oath. That's why I'm more sure of these other 'conspiracies" than some of you guys might be. I would never ask anyone to trust me or any source without a whole lot of researching though various databases and that doesn't mean a quick google search either.


You know, I don't even know what to say right now. I have a close relative who was in special forces for a number of years before moving into the intelligence community. I have a healthy respect that we aren't told the whole truth about different things, but I never got anywhere near this much crazy from him.
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Look at your statement again and you'll clearly see how much of a cop out it is. You're basically saying you can't think for yourself...

lolirony.

Oh no! Please don't call me a sheep! Why, a cutting remark like that will surely scare me into thinking your way! Smiley: laugh

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The CIA and the military have a history of false flag events in our history.

This is what's known as leading someone off the path and trying to convince them of Point A by throwing about a bunch of Points B-M. You could have rock solid proof that the moon landing was a hoax and it wouldn't be the first step towards validating 9/11 tinfoil Trutherism.

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I only wish I could talk about some of my personal stories where I've been forced to remain silent due to my security clearance oath. That's why I'm more sure of these other 'conspiracies" than some of you guys might be.

Remember that one guy in some religion thread who babbled about oaths and Rosicrucians and how he knew the truth but couldn't tell us at the peril of his own life?

That guy was pretty good times.

Anyway, yeah sure. If I don't believe the way you do, it's only because I must not have researched it enough (or I'm a sheep! eek!) and you could totally tell us all except for your oaths. Well, that was all very convincing, let me tell ya.

This is where you say "Don't let this convince you, look for yourself (until you agree with me)!"

Edited, Sep 15th 2011 1:01am by Jophiel
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Thanks for the link Allegory, the crazy within' is highly amusing.

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Interesting how someone who isn't a truther, and who claims to have not formed an opinion because he hasn't reviewed all the facts can manage to parrot that exact set of information.

Reminds me of this guy I know who swore he wasn't really a Birther, he just recited chapter & verse from the Birther Bible in every thread like a wind-up doll.
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You realize that using Youtube videos as sources, or as a way of expressing your views, does not help your case, right?

You don't come off well when you challenge others to be as "informed" as you are, and then link to Youtube. Academic sources, pier-reviewed journals, or testimony by respected and documented experts are really the only way to go.

I mean, you got your facts wrong about the Seal team in the Chinook already. You got them wrong in your haste and clear-as-day desire to be able cry conspiracy. Why should we take anything you say remotely seriously?

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