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#1 Sep 08 2011 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, so drive 200km an hour (admit to doing it) but your fine is $200 and despite driving cars that probably otherwise don't exist in Surrey (in a flock no less) - get seen going 200+ an hour etc. there is "not enough evidence to lay charges" - this is just ridiculous. How much evidence do they need?

FYI heard on the TV that at least one participant admitted what they did to the media, that part isn't in this print story, but that just adds to the WTF. So if admitting to doing a crime isn't enough evidence anymore, what is?

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VANCOUVER — A group of young drivers who had their high-end vehicles seized after hitting speeds up to 200 kilometres on a Vancouver-area highway may lose their cars.

The 13 cars were supposed to be released Thursday after being in an impound lot for seven days. Instead the case has been referred to the B.C. Civil Forfeiture Office after the RCMP's Lower Mainland District Traffic Services provided information to the Federal Integrated Proceeds of Crime Section, which evaluated the Sept. 1 incident.

Supt. Norm Gaumont, head of traffic services for the RCMP in the Lower Mainland, said in a release there was not enough evidence against the drivers to proceed with criminal charges.

"With the criminal avenue closed to us, we decided to see if there was enough evidence to proceed civilly," said Gaumont.

The Proceeds of Crime unit recommended the Forfeiture Office assess the case for four reasons: the vehicles were by definition "street racing," speeds were estimated as high as 200 km/h on roads designed and signposted for 90 km/h, there was disregard by all the involved drivers for the motoring public and there was the potential for catastrophic injury or death.

The vehicles, which included a Lamborghini, a Maserati, a Ferrari and an Aston Martin, are estimated to be worth as much as $2 million in total.

Witnesses reported the cars were working together — two vehicles would drive side-by-side to slow down traffic so the other cars could race ahead at speeds estimated to be as high as 200 km/h.

Surrey RCMP stopped six of the cars when they left the freeway while the other seven were stopped shortly afterward by White Rock RCMP.

The 12 young men and one woman were all under 21 years of age and two were under 18. Six had full licences but six were new drivers and one was without a valid Canadian driver's licence.

They were all given $196 tickets for driving without reasonable considerations, and were to lose six points on their licences.

They all lost access to their vehicles for a week but now may lose much more.

Only one of the drivers was the registered owner of their vehicle.

Media reports have indicated some of the drivers were from St. George's School, a prestigious private school which has cited privacy concerns in refusing to confirm or deny its students were involved.

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/cars/seize+million+convoy+luxury+cars+used+street+racing/5373198/story.html#ixzz1XPyHhedx


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Hope they lose their vehicles. Street racers can DIAFieryCrash as far as I'm concerned.
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Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari, Aston Martin... At 18-21? Seriously?
I'm kinda jealous.
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Losing the cars permanently is going to BURN as badly as jail, ESPECIALLY if they are their parent's cars. OMG they are going to be in a world of trouble. Paying their parents back for the cars is REALLY going to hurt. Which if their parents have a lick of sense, they are going to make them do, no matter how much cash the parents have in the trust fund.
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Losing the cars permanently is going to BURN as badly as jail, ESPECIALLY if they are their parent's cars. OMG they are going to be in a world of trouble. Paying their parents back for the cars is REALLY going to hurt. Which if their parents have a lick of sense, they are going to make them do, no matter how much cash the parents have in the trust fund.
If the parents had a lick of sense, their 18-21 yr old kids wouldn't be driving their Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari, or Aston Martin.
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I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Losing the cars permanently is going to BURN as badly as jail, ESPECIALLY if they are their parent's cars. OMG they are going to be in a world of trouble. Paying their parents back for the cars is REALLY going to hurt. Which if their parents have a lick of sense, they are going to make them do, no matter how much cash the parents have in the trust fund.
If the parents had a lick of sense, their 18-21 yr old kids wouldn't be driving their Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari, or Aston Martin.

I bet it doesn't hurt very bad at all.
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I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
I don't know if I should consider you an optimist for thinking people would never be so stupid to give kids cars like this or a pessimist for thinking this many parents are blind to their kids and this many kids would steal their parents' cars, all at the same time.
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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:

Aripyanfar wrote:
I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
I don't know if I should consider you an optimist for thinking people would never be so stupid to give kids cars like this or a pessimist for thinking this many parents are blind to their kids and this many kids would steal their parents' cars, all at the same time.

I stole my dad's drag racing car once, drove it over to the next town and back. I got caught, but I still did it.
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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).
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Elinda wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


This isn't something that can just be given a hand-wave and a "kids will be kids" either. They were putting many lives at serious risk.

As far as I'm concerned they should lose their licenses for 4-6 years. They're clearly nowhere near ready for the responsibility.
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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:

Aripyanfar wrote:
I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
I don't know if I should consider you an optimist for thinking people would never be so stupid to give kids cars like this or a pessimist for thinking this many parents are blind to their kids and this many kids would steal their parents' cars, all at the same time.

I stole my dad's drag racing car once, drove it over to the next town and back. I got caught, but I still did it.
Did you talk 5-6 friends into stealing their Dad's drag cars as well?
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As far as I'm concerned they should lose their licenses for 4-6 years. They're clearly nowhere near ready for the responsibility.
That could be said of about about 90% of the 16-18 year olds that are handed car keys.

They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.
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Kavekk wrote:
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Kavekk wrote:
Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.

Differently scaled sentences for very different offences in countries on opposite sides of the ocean. How could I miss that?
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.
Yeah. If they're under 18, at least in the states, they'd lose their provisional license privileges, and not be eligible to get a license again until they're 18. There'd also be a hefty fine (in many states the fine increases with the speed).
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
They should. Too bad they got slaps on the wrists instead.
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As far as I'm concerned they should lose their licenses for 4-6 years. They're clearly nowhere near ready for the responsibility.
That could be said of about about 90% of the 16-18 year olds that are handed car keys.

They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.


I'm just posing the penalty that I think should apply for driving those speeds. Somehow, I managed to resist the urge to try to hit triple digits in my Lumina back then. I'd expect the same of any other kid.

If 90% of 16-18 year olds were doing that (which I don't think they are) then we'd clearly need to up the severity of the punishment, because its not acting as a deterrent.

A 4-6 year license suspension sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Enough to be a real deterrent, and gives a good amount of time to mature up if convicted. Let 'em do some relevant community service work to lower the penalty time. Maybe see some mutilated bodies of kids who crashed racing, or the people they hit doing so. Something to teach them some appreciation for the people they're putting at risk.

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If I had a car that could hit 200km/hr when I was 18, I know I would've done it from time to time. Mine would top out at 160 on speedometer. It was pretty dumb of me and while my behaviour wasn't the norm, it wasn't rare.
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Eh, this forum isn't indicative of the norm. Everyone here is so cool and edgy. Just a collection of Vin Diesels and Paul Walkers, posting about minecraft.
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So we're all *** or look ***?
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A friend of mine was really into street racing for a while. He destroyed one car, lost his license for six months after he got yet another speeding ticket, and had to rely on his brother driving him to work. He calmed down after that and has managed to not wreck his current vehicle, but I still refuse to ride in the same car as him.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
I don't know if I should consider you an optimist for thinking people would never be so stupid to give kids cars like this or a pessimist for thinking this many parents are blind to their kids and this many kids would steal their parents' cars, all at the same time.

I stole my dad's drag racing car once, drove it over to the next town and back. I got caught, but I still did it.
Did you talk 5-6 friends into stealing their Dad's drag cars as well?

No, because my friend's dad's didn't race, silly!
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Elinda wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Elinda wrote:
They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.
Yeah. If they're under 18, at least in the states, they'd lose their provisional license privileges, and not be eligible to get a license again until they're 18. There'd also be a hefty fine (in many states the fine increases with the speed).
In my opinion, calling this "excessively speeding" minimizes it. Most of these kids didn't even have proper licenses! I'm only familiar with Texas law, and I'm too lazy to look up Canadian law. Remember, we're the state that has an 85 mph speed limit in some places (admittedly, ************

1) They had people driving to impede the speed of traffic. I don't know about Canada, but that's illegal here.
2) At the very least, they could be charged with reckless driving. Here, this is a misdemeanor and can land you in jail.
3) Street racing is at the very least misdemeanor in most states and can easily land you in jail. Here, at minimum it's a Class B misdemeanor, which can get you up to 180 days (not to mention the fines, which obviously these kids wouldn't give a **** about.)
4) Eluding the police is a Class B misdemeanor (I wouldn't be surprised if these kids tried to do this, considering the fact that they caught them in separate groups, but I obviously don't know this for sure).

They're lucky they didn't kill or injure anybody because at that point they would easily be seeing felony charges.

If a kid is driving a vehicle that has the potential to kill somebody, they'd **** well better be held up to the responsibility of an adult. If they can't, maybe they shouldn't be driving in the first place.
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Losing the cars permanently is going to BURN as badly as jail, ESPECIALLY if they are their parent's cars. OMG they are going to be in a world of trouble. Paying their parents back for the cars is REALLY going to hurt. Which if their parents have a lick of sense, they are going to make them do, no matter how much cash the parents have in the trust fund.
If the parents had a lick of sense, their 18-21 yr old kids wouldn't be driving their Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari, or Aston Martin.

I bet it doesn't hurt very bad at all.


This. And it certainly wouldn't hurt as bad as it would have say, hurt someone who was just trying to get home after a long shift at work, getting T-boned by these spoiled brats. They deserve to be criminally charged.
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
They should. Too bad they got slaps on the wrists instead.


yeah this whole province is such a small town, the crown council probably knew the parents of the kids and said "oh, no, not enough evidence to put before a judge"

I wish I was kidding.

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Elinda wrote:
They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.


No, they should face criminal charges. I bet if the kids had been brown or asian driving like that they would have been charged. But since they are protected by the old boys club in this province, they will get away with it. $200 bucks for someone driving a luxury car? I am sure that is less than a day's allowance.

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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.


This is exactly what I was thinking as well. As for those saying that the police are going hard on them because of the privledge? WHAT? Did you see where they are not laying charges - EVEN THOUGH THEY ADMITTED TO BREAKING THE LAW?

Here is a snippet I transcribed from the news last night:

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One of the 13 drivers has admitted to us some of his friends were easily pushing in excess of 200 km/hr down the highway south of Vancouver.


Meanwhile in Britain someone who walked into a store, stole nothing, then confessed is getting criminal charges? But they're poor. No one on the bench has cognac with their dads, so I guess they can rot in jail.

Quote:
The 31-year-old, who works as a learning mentor at a primary school in Stockwell, south London, had been arrested in an electrical goods store in Croydon at the peak of the riots on Monday. He pleaded guilty to burglary with intent to steal and was released on conditional bail; the court was told he had not been seen taking any items from the store.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/18/england-rioters-pillars-of-the-community?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487






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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.

Differently scaled sentences for very different offences in countries on opposite sides of the ocean. How could I miss that?


You seem to have mistaken my first post for a message to you, personally. I don't blame you for not understanding it, but I'm not obliged to have you in my thoughts when I post.

I don't really see where you're going with the whole different offences thing, but you've one again misunderstood the point of the comparison if you think it matters that the two legal systems are distinct.

As for you position on this, I have to say your attitude to this kind of thing disturbs me. I recall you saying a university student filming two people having *** and uploading it to the net was guilty of no more than a school-boy prank - glad I didn't go to your school. Apparently you used to speed pretty heavily, as well.

What you have to realise is that most people aren't as dangerously stupid as you were. Your younger self wasn't a lovable scamp, and neither are those who commit the same crimes.

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I mean, I've certainly gone close to 120, but when passing in the opposing lane of traffic in otherwise empty bumble@#%^ (except for that one slow farmer @#%^ in the tractor), you don't really have much of a choice (well, I suppose you can lower the speed down to 100 and not be possible road pizza if the person in front of you is going slowly enough.) There's also nobody you can really kill besides yourself and deer. Prolonged driving through rural Texas might make you consider killing yourself, though.

And really, @#%^ deer.


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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.
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200 km/h is 124 mph Smiley: grin

My car can't even hit 120. The fastest it might be able to eke out is 110.

I guess racing against the impending urge to off yourself if you drive another minute longer might count as street racing.


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Which is less, you crazy criminal.
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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
You mean 120mph is just over 200kmph? Yes.

Edit: Yea, I'm wrong. Numbers are hard.


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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
Mainly it's a poor excuse Smiley: grin I've only done it maybe once or twice.

Still probably pretty dumb even if I'm not putting anyone in danger. In the city, I'm practically a grandma. 70 miles an hour? Wild night.

(The speed limit where I live is 65)

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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
Mainly it's a poor excuse Smiley: grin I've only done it maybe once or twice.

Still probably pretty dumb even if I'm not putting anyone in danger.


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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?
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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


[quote=Elinda]They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


[quote=Elinda]They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

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Uh... He was intoxicated as well? And this was far from his first offense. I suspect the DWI had more to do with it. He also owned the car.
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Kavekk wrote:
I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


Elinda wrote:
They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?



Nope they would had been sent to jail from the start if they weren't rich.
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This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?



Nope they would had been sent to jail from the start if they weren't rich.


And what? Charged the same fine that these kids were, right? Can you even find an example of someone being convicted of a non-injury street racing event who was sentenced to jail time? Can you find an example of their cars being actually seized (not just impounded for a period of time)? Other than this case, of course.

You assume that because the people involved are wealthy that they just must be being given special treatment. But do you know that for sure? It looks a lot more to me like they are being hit harder *because* they are wealthy. Everyone is outraged because they got off with just a minor fine, but if they hadn't been driving such expensive cars, odds are you'd not even have heard about the case, there wouldn't be such outrage and the government would not have seized their cars.


But feel free to prove me wrong. Show me cases were cars have been seized in cases where there was no DUI and no injury or crash. If you can't, then you can't make the claim that they're being given special treatment.
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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.

Edit: Googling "Car confiscated for speeding" brought up a great many examples from around the world, including one moron in Finland who decided to speed after he got his car washed to dry it off.

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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.
Any modern vehicle, with at least a V6 can reach 200km/h. Many 4 cylinders can as well.
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Any modern vehicle, with at least a V6 can reach 200km/h. Many 4 cylinders can as well.


My little 1997 Honda Accord complains when it's going above 75 MPH. I probably need to ask my mechanic about a tune-up sometime.
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Yes, well modern was meant as anything newer, but that 97 Accord would easily approach 200km/h when it was new, if not exceed that.
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Perhaps Smiley: laugh I just checked, the speedometer goes up to 220. I never paid attention to that before.

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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.


As several people have pointed out, that's 124mph. That's fast, but not ridiculously so. I have accidentally hit 100mph in my car before. You certainly don't need a $100k+ sports car to do so. What the expensive sports car does do, however, is make traveling at that speed much safer than say some guy driving his souped up ricer.

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Any examples of what I asked for?

First link:

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Any two or more cars seen 'racing' will be confiscated, he said and added traffic law allows police to impound a car for 30 days in addition to a fine of Dh2,000 and 12 black points for reckless driving. However, repeat offenders will have their vehicles confiscated permanently.


So only repeat offenders get them taken permanently.

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Looking for a fast and easy way to dry your car after you wash it? Don't try speeding those little drops away. Police in Amsterdam stopped a man for just that. He was driving almost 70 in a 40 m.p.h. zone. Because he didn't have his driver's license with him, police confiscated the car. Clean or not, police will hold the car until he can prove he can legally drive.


Wasn't because he was speeding, but because he had no drivers license. And he gets the car back once he provides one.

Third link doesn't address the issue.

Fourth link doesn't have sufficient details to know whether he got the car back.

I'm not going to keep doing your digging here, but I've yet to find a single example where the only offense was speeding/racing (ie: no drinking, and no injuries or crashes) and the cars were confiscated permanently. Again, you feel free to find cases showing otherwise, but I still haven't seen any.
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How do you accidentally hit 100mph? What kind of car were you driving? The only time I've ever done that, I was well aware of the fact that I was near that speed, and the car was sure to let me know by the fact that it was rattling (piece of crap) or floating (family sedans aren't meant to go that fast apparently.

Actually, come to think of it, I did hit near that first time I drove the 300 I used to have and was shocked to find out I was going anywhere near that.
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