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But on the subject of your vote, let me repeat my statement about pragmatism versus idealism. While I'm sure somewhere "out there" exists a completely perfect conservative candidate, I'm more interested in making sure that a liberal candidate doesn't win office than holding out for that perfect choice. It is not a matter of "perfect candidate or bust". It's a matter of choosing the better candidate out of those who can win. Given the way our electoral college system is set up, that means that you either vote for the GOP candidate, or the Dem candidate. Any other vote is thrown away.
Wrong it's a matter of winning or bust. That's because guys like Romney are corrupt and bought off. They are the status quo that spins the truth as they need to get elected. I look at the record and ignore what they say more or less. Why? Because it's what you do when you run for public office. Your job is to persuade people that you're the best choice. Ron Paul didn't want to run. He's old and wanted to retire, but because Americans are finally waking up, he's doing it for us and his grandkids.
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As a conservative, if you vote for anyone other than the GOP candidate you are effectively casting half a vote for Obama. So unless you honestly believe that you'll be no worse off under Obama than Romney or Perry (or whomever wins), then you are being a monumental idiot to vote for anyone else. BTW, this is part of what I meant by "not helping". I'm all for raising issues. But don't vote for the issues candidate instead of the guy who is the best match to your own positions *and* has a real chance to win. That's a surefire way to ensure that you lose ground on your issues instead of gain ground.
I'm voting for a GOP candidate so I could care less what your running your mouth about. If Paul doesn't win the nominee, I'll vote for him like most will on the write in ballet. He's won damn near every poll and anyone with half a brain wants him to win office.
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Do you know anything about his record? And not just what you've read on pro-Paul sites? Honestly, about the only consistency in his voting record is that he does whatever seems to generate the most controversy. Again, that's clever marketing for an issues candidate, but not a great record to base real leadership on.
I know a lot about Paul. He did run in 2008 if you remember. I'm not going to argue with you over records on this forum though. I will say that the bankers are scared of Paul. Every mainstream media group is scared to mention his name. He could win a poll and place in the top 3 and they'll try to ignore him. That's just more proof that Paul is the real deal. Ron Paul isn't generating controversy with people that know the laws of this land. Only the ignorant and brainwashed see him as controversial.
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Well, except for the time in 2003 when he voted no on a bill that would protect gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits, then in 2004 voted yes on a bill that limited frivolous lawsuits, then in 2005 he again voted no on a bill that would limit frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers. All of this despite claiming to be staunchly pro 2nd amendment, property rights, and free markets. So he's either being inconsistent about supporting the second amendment, or he's being inconsistent about opposing frivolous lawsuits, or he's being inconsistent about believing in a free market.
But I'm sure, since you mentioned his voting record, that you already know all about this and have a perfect explanation.
That's why people like to take his words out of context in the debates. I personally don't know about this incident, but I do know on every issue that effects our budget, Paul's record is flawless. I'd bet that the GOP have spun this taking it out of context if it were true. Seriously, I doubt you even understand it because why haven't any of his opponents use it against him. All Perry could do was use some stupid letter from Reagan. I call bull on this charge for now.
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Yes. And this is who you'll be voting for if you write in Paul's name in the next election. So I guess you want Obama to serve 4 more years.
I don't want Romney or Perry either. If I have to suffer with any of them, it's still suffering. Why can't you comprehend that? I want my freedom back. I'm sick of all the corruption and the dog and pony show. Don't you have any integrity or you just as two faced as Romney?
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Yeah. Because he's the only person on earth who cares about freedom and our constitution. Geez dude. Take your head out of the punch bowl for a second and look around.
He sure is the only guy who knows about it. Cain pretends to talk about it but is actually quoting the Declaration of Independence. Oopsss Palin and Paliv2 Bachmann ***** up the Constitution every chance they get. Take your head out of the punch bowl, I sure have.
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Yeah. Because the political establishment really feels threatened by Ron Paul. Ron Paul cares about Ron Paul. He knows that by being controversial and "different", he can attract a core group of fanatical followers who'll praise the ground he walks on, and who'll follow him around chanting his name. More importantly, they'll toss tons of money his way so he can keep his job in Congress.
Oh and speaking of flip-floping (or just being inconsistent). He's a man who claims to believe in term limits, but apparently not for himself. If he was a true idealist, wouldn't he voluntarily step down? And then there's that whole pledge in support of transparency with regard to campaign donations, but voting against exactly that when it came to passing any legislation. He's also one of the worst offenders in terms of keeping secret donor lists.
But he's got nothing to hide and he's an open honest man with your own best interests at heart! He told you so, so it must be true!!!
Clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Ron Paul is the ONLY guy who gives part of his salary back each year from Congress. Ron Paul is retiring from Congress and will be retired for good if he doesn't win for president. It's funny how you claim to have more dirt than any of all the other GOP candidates. I've seen though your lies and it's people like you that truly scare me. I've run the gauntlet on Paul back in 2008. He's as close to perfection of the rule of laws as we are ever going to get in this country. Romney is the guy who constructed Obamacare in Mass that Obama lifted. As for Perry, he's a turncoat who used to be a Democrat. Ron Paul has been in office for over 30 years and these guys can't find any dirt on him. All the media continues to do is ignore him no matter how many polls he wins or debates for that matter. You're afraid of the truth and you have the balls to question me. I've lived around the world, seen everything you can possible want to see. I see the way the world looks at us. We are hated for a reason. It's because of our cocky double sided nature. I don't know about you, but I'm done with the sellouts of this union. If Romney wins, you'll be apologizing to me in a few years. I can wait should that happen.
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