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#1 Aug 09 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Any Londoners here?

Gotten any good drops?

Anyone seen a tall, skinny, clapton-looking guy looting the vinyls?

Should we be making preparations for a shortage of Taylor Swift cd's?

What's it all about??



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#2 Aug 09 2011 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Any Londoners here?

Gotten any good drops?

Anyone seen a tall, skinny, clapton-looking guy looting the vinyls?

Should we be making preparations for a shortage of Taylor Swift cd's?

What's it all about??






Obviously this whole thing is fake. Varus says white people don't do such crazy stuff, only dem coloreds...
#3 Aug 09 2011 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Any Londoners here?

Gotten any good drops?

Anyone seen a tall, skinny, clapton-looking guy looting the vinyls?

Should we be making preparations for a shortage of Taylor Swift cd's?

What's it all about??

Obviously this whole thing is fake. Varus says white people don't do such crazy stuff, only dem coloreds...

Smiley: dubious

I can't tell if this is trolling or not. The riots started in the black community after a supposedly unarmed black man was shot and killed by the police. Seems like they've progressed from there to just include a general "most angry people"...
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#4 Aug 09 2011 at 7:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Supposedly? Of course he was armed. He's black. Duh, Locke. White people would never shoot an unarmed man.
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Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Any Londoners here?

Gotten any good drops?

Anyone seen a tall, skinny, clapton-looking guy looting the vinyls?

Should we be making preparations for a shortage of Taylor Swift cd's?

What's it all about??

Obviously this whole thing is fake. Varus says white people don't do such crazy stuff, only dem coloreds...

Smiley: dubious

I can't tell if this is trolling or not. The riots started in the black community after a supposedly unarmed black man was shot and killed by the police. Seems like they've progressed from there to just include a general "most angry people"...


That I know.. I just wanted to say it anyway
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#7varusword75, Posted: Aug 09 2011 at 7:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#8 Aug 09 2011 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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So what you're saying is the UK has blacks?

Buy a history book.
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The riots started in the black community after a supposedly unarmed black man was shot and killed by the police

So what you're saying is the UK has blacks?

I... honestly can't tell if you didn't know this.
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#10 Aug 09 2011 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
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The riots started in the black community after a supposedly unarmed black man was shot and killed by the police

So what you're saying is the UK has blacks?

I... honestly can't tell if you didn't know this.



I have to admit, I was surprised to see German speaking black people in Germany. Given the lack of black people I saw, I was even more surprised that people didn't assume that I was a foreigner and spoke to me in German.

It was a Rush Hour-Jackie Chan moment. Smiley: lol
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Then i'd have to read it.



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Then i'd have to read it.
And now you try to convince us you weren't fired, but quit being a history teacher.
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#13 Aug 09 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Oddly enough, I was just leaving an FB comment on the Nobster's page to check in with him.
#14 Aug 09 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't think Nobby lived in London.
#15 Aug 09 2011 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
If I hadn't heard about it on the news, I wouldn't have noticed. It's pretty bad in some places, although nowhere near as bad as the Paris riots a few years ago, but London is a big city. In most places everything is going on exactly as normal.

As for the analysis of the riots, they're not racial, not religious, they're simply caused by long-term deprivation, unemployment, and lack of community cohesion in certain London suburbs. Add to that a healthy dose of opportunist consumerism, and that's the recipe. The shooting of that dude was the spark.

Having said that, it's not quite as bad as they make it out to be on the news.
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#16 Aug 09 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Riot will be over soon though, after 3 consecutive days it'll start to feel like an actual job.
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As I've said on numerous occasions all rioters and looters should be shot on site


If only that had worked the last time they tried it.
#18 Aug 09 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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It's not just confined to London any more. It's happening all over. A gang of chavs tried to start looting the local high street here but they were arrested rather quickly.

A few pockets of resistance have popped up in London now, mostly from football fans who are standing up to the looters. I'd like to see these people try and loot any areas with a strong Millwall fanbase...
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#19 Aug 09 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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Just to say, if you guys aren't aware, the guy who got shot was armed. He didn't actually discharge his weapon, according to the IPCC.
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#20 Aug 09 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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How's the media covering it there, Nila? It's pretty big news on the few major new channels I've seen state-side, and the social media is all over it. I just wonder if it's as large an event to warrant the attention it's getting, or if it's really that large or widespread.
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BBC News 24 and Sky news are all over it. They're being as impartial as they can be, well, the BBC are. It's spreading out now, it was just North London at the start, now it's all over South London. People have been starting copy-cat riots/looting sprees in Birmingham and Manchester too.

There have been a lot of large shopping centres shut down and stock removed by companies. Lots of Arson, lots of clashes with the police.

In short, it's a big deal, yes.

edit: Relevant article is relevant.



Edited, Aug 9th 2011 4:17pm by Nilatai
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Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen an article with a map, and my mental geography of that area is unfortunately poor. The breakdown was quite helpful.
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#24 Aug 09 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I think this is interesting because it's so utterly against the image the UK has held recently. As a country that is fairly close to the top of the Global Peace Index list despite its involvement in all the wars, it's supposed to be safe.

Last month, when there was a week filled with politically motivated killings in Karachi and it was all over the news I actually worried less about my friends there than I do now about my friends in London/Nottingham. I think the UK isn't able to handle this sort of trouble very well; the police are probably doing a better job than the police in other places with more frequent conflict would, but the people don't have experience with this sort of situation.

They seem to be doing okay, anyway, and I'm for once glad I'm not in the UK right now.


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Someone on reddit said this yesterday:

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What is utterly striking about these events is how devoid of political motive they are. It's pure wanton and opportunistic destructiveness; rioting not to make a point but just for fun. The emphasis on arson-for-a-laugh is eye opening too. What's most shocking is that these people walk among us. The people who are doing this sit next to you on the tube, serve you in shops... this is painting a dismal picture of how close we are to animals.


I think that's part of what makes me feel more uneasy about this than about other conflicts that affect my friends and relatives - killing people because someone said something bad about Altaf Hussain is still less obscure than burning down houses because you have nothing better to do. Maybe that means I'm weird.
On a side note, tying these two things together, people are actually making a point to saying MQM has nothing to do with the London riots. I think that's kind of interesting...

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#25 Aug 09 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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16'000 police officers are in London tonight. The use of rubber/plastic bullets has been authorised if necessary too.

I don't think this will go on much longer.

The only reason it's been going on so long is down to the government all being on their holidays. Very embarrassing for them.
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If I hadn't heard about it on the news, I wouldn't have noticed. It's pretty bad in some places, although nowhere near as bad as the Paris riots a few years ago, but London is a big city. In most places everything is going on exactly as normal.

As for the analysis of the riots, they're not racial, not religious, they're simply caused by long-term deprivation, unemployment, and lack of community cohesion in certain London suburbs. Add to that a healthy dose of opportunist consumerism, and that's the recipe. The shooting of that dude was the spark.

Having said that, it's not quite as bad as they make it out to be on the news.


I've heard there is a certain element of racial tension from multiple people I've talked to who live in London and the UK.

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