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#77 May 11 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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#79 May 11 2011 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Twiz, the point I was making is that for people that aren't able to get the pill (or UID, or whatever) through insurance, PP was a nice, affordable option. Belk said that her insurance covers it now and that's great. But 10 years ago when I still relied on the pill, insurance wouldn't cover it.
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Driftwood wrote:
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Why cut cancer screening? That's just terrible.
Hey, if you ask Republicans, that's an elective service.
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#81 May 12 2011 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
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Why cut cancer screening? That's just terrible.
Hey, if you ask Republicans, that's an elective service.

Are you suggesting that it's not or are you in agreement with them but lack the testicular fortitude to put forth the position?

If the latter, go figure, but if the former, do you know what elective means? No one is suggesting cancer screening is not important, but there is no reasonable argument that can be made to effectively cast is as not elective.
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#82 May 12 2011 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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None of them can reasonably be said to be a necessity.
Neither is public waste-water treatment and collection. Planned parenthood is simply another service that attempts to keep a community healthy and happy.

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Elinda wrote:
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None of them can reasonably be said to be a necessity.
Neither is public waste-water treatment and collection. Planned parenthood is simply another service that attempts to keep a community healthy and happy.


Not so much. Unattended waste water will cause disease & death. Un-screened women may have cancer. I realize it's a fine distinction, but it's worth pointing out, none the less.

EDIT: By will cause I mean has it has been historically shown that it will cause disease & death. By may have I mean who f'ucking knows, but it's a great emotional plea.

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Unattended waste water will cause disease & death. Un-screened women may have cancer.

With a large enough sample, it's statistically probable that some unscreened women will have cancer. According to the gummint, 12.2% of women in the US are diagnosed with breast cancer at some point in their life so you don't even need all that large of a sample.
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Cancer won't spread to others. Disease contracted from waste water will. It was poor reasoning by Elinda. I agree with Moe on this and I see how others could argue against him/us, but the example Elinda used wasn't an effective route.
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MoebiusLord wrote:
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None of them can reasonably be said to be a necessity.
Neither is public waste-water treatment and collection. Planned parenthood is simply another service that attempts to keep a community healthy and happy.


Not so much. Unattended waste water will cause disease & death. Un-screened women may have cancer. I realize it's a fine distinction, but it's worth pointing out, none the less.

EDIT: By will cause I mean has it has been historically shown that it will cause disease & death. By may have I mean who f'ucking knows, but it's a great emotional plea.

Edited, May 12th 2011 9:04am by MoebiusLord
That's only addressing the cancer screening though. Honestly, I didn't know Planned Parenthood did cancer screening. However, unchecked genital crabs will spread causing uncomfortable itching to unsuspecting public toilet users. Likewise, controlling unwanted pregnancies can be seen to be a community health service.
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#87 May 12 2011 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
That's only addressing the cancer screening though. Honestly, I didn't know Planned Parenthood did cancer screening.

Excellent point. I was addressing that which was posited. I'm good like that.
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However, unchecked genital crabs will spread causing uncomfortable itching to unsuspecting public toilet users.

So a medical issue that someone doesn't go to the doctor for can spread? Sounds like someone should go take advantage of one of the other available medical assistance programs that I'm paying for.
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Likewise, controlling unwanted pregnancies can be seen to be a community health service.

You're right, it could be. Requiring every able-bodied, upstanding citizen to carry a firearm could be seen as a public safety service, too, but I doubt you'd buy that, either. At any rate, the best way to control unwanted pregnancies is not to get pregnant. I love how women want to be free to exercise choice but don't want me to be afforded the same courtesy. Public funding for Planned Parenthood forces a woman's choice on me.
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There would be no such thing as unwanted pregnancies if you fuckers would let us bring back child slavery.
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Cancer won't spread to others. Disease contracted from waste water will. It was poor reasoning by Elinda. I agree with Moe on this and I see how others could argue against him/us, but the example Elinda used wasn't an effective route.

Really, my support for Planned Parenthood is based less on any "women" style concerns (oh no, breast cancer!) and more on the basic fact that I'm in favor of government supported health care. It would be swell if all of PP's functions could be transferred to government facilities with no loss in accessibility or service but, until then, funding someone else doing it is the next best thing.

I understand that this basic theory puts me immediately at odds with Moe and his ilk.
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Really, my support for Planned Parenthood is based less on any "women" style concerns (oh no, breast cancer!) and more on the basic fact that I'm in favor of government supported health care. It would be swell if all of PP's functions could be transferred to government facilities with no loss in accessibility or service but, until then, funding someone else doing it is the next best thing.

I understand that this basic theory puts me immediately at odds with Moe and his ilk.
I'm all for free healthcare, its one of the greatest things about living in Canada. What I don't understand about PP is that if there's such an issue being kicked up about them receiving government funding and the concern that some of it goes to abortions when its not supposed to, why don't they just stop doing them and ask their sponsors that provided the money to them to do them to support another organization that doesn't receive government funding. They don't have to be a one stop shop. Because so long as they continue to operate like that, they'll always have opposition and the potential for defunding, which is ridiculous. They're just being retarded about it.
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I'm all for free healthcare...

I lol'd.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Really, my support for Planned Parenthood is based less on any "women" style concerns (oh no, breast cancer!) and more on the basic fact that I'm in favor of government supported health care. It would be swell if all of PP's functions could be transferred to government facilities with no loss in accessibility or service but, until then, funding someone else doing it is the next best thing.

I understand that this basic theory puts me immediately at odds with Moe and his ilk.
I'm all for free healthcare, its one of the greatest things about living in Canada. What I don't understand about PP is that if there's such an issue being kicked up about them receiving government funding and the concern that some of it goes to abortions when its not supposed to, why don't they just stop doing them and ask their sponsors that provided the money to them to do them to support another organization that doesn't receive government funding. They don't have to be a one stop shop. Because so long as they continue to operate like that, they'll always have opposition and the potential for defunding, which is ridiculous. They're just being retarded about it.

An elegant solution that would solve all of their problems. They won't accept it because that's not their core mission, but it would work. Their core mission, regardless of what the advertising says, is providing cheap/free abortions and contraception.
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I'm all for free healthcare...

I lol'd.
Free at the time of delivery of service.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Cancer won't spread to others. Disease contracted from waste water will. It was poor reasoning by Elinda. I agree with Moe on this and I see how others could argue against him/us, but the example Elinda used wasn't an effective route.
Only Moe made this about cancer screening. I'm not really in agreement with the medical manufacturers/insurers/regulators pushing cancer screening on the medical professionals and the public at large. Much if it is not justified.
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They won't accept it because that's not their core mission, but it would work. Their core mission, regardless of what the advertising says, is providing cheap/free abortions and contraception.

Their core mission is providing women's health services (primarily reproductive) which includes abortion and contraception. While abortion remains legal, they have all the rationale they need to not capitulate to politically driven attacks.
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Elinda wrote:
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Cancer won't spread to others. Disease contracted from waste water will. It was poor reasoning by Elinda. I agree with Moe on this and I see how others could argue against him/us, but the example Elinda used wasn't an effective route.
Only Moe made this about cancer screening. I'm not really in agreement with the medical manufacturers/insurers/regulators pushing cancer screening on the medical professionals and the public at large. Much if it is not justified.

And pushing the cost of STD testing and abortion services on the public is justified?

There's the disconnect for me.
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I would like to know where they plan on sending the money that would have gone to PP.

Also, doesn't PP take donations? If someone is concerned about them, then send them a check.
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Also, doesn't PP take donations? If someone is concerned about them, then send them a check.


The issue is that this would make it so they cannot accept Medicare, or any other government assisted type insurance program. Which a lot of poor people have.
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I would like to know where they plan on sending the money that would have gone to PP.

Other state Medicaid reimbursements, presumably.
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Belkira wrote:
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Also, doesn't PP take donations? If someone is concerned about them, then send them a check.


The issue is that this would make it so they cannot accept Medicare, or any other government assisted type insurance program. Which a lot of poor people have.
Let me get this straight. Because they get funding from the government, they can't accept donations?
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Elinda wrote:
Only Moe made this about cancer screening. I'm not really in agreement with the medical manufacturers/insurers/regulators pushing cancer screening on the medical professionals and the public at large. Much if it is not justified.

Untrue. The original article specifically mentions it, in an attempt to make this about something it isn't. Driftwood then took the bait and called it terrible that they would be taking that away. It was then seized by Guenny, Twizzle & idiggory. I simply clarified the conversation.
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They won't accept it because that's not their core mission, but it would work. Their core mission, regardless of what the advertising says, is providing cheap/free abortions and contraception.

Their core mission is providing women's health services (primarily reproductive) which includes abortion and contraception. While abortion remains legal, they have all the rationale they need to not capitulate to politically driven attacks.

You are absolutely correct. They are well within their rights to continue doing it. Continuing, however, proves that this is not about women's health, but politics. When a perfectly viable solution is available, but they choose to press for the contentious they lose the moral high ground.
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